Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
I understand no chat is bad, but how you expect them to learn if they dont play? Thats like expecting players to beat savage or ex primals by simply watching a video but never step foot into the actual content. Plus calling them out only reinforce SE decision to ban chat.
To be fair, I reasonably expect them to derp around in Frontlines and unranked first, before queuing directly into ranked. I also, pre chat-ban, would have expected them to admit that they were new at the start, state their level of experience with previous PVP modes, and ask for tips, pointers, and advice, and apologize in advance for any screw-ups. This type of behavior would HARDLY prompt a hostile response from players (at least it sure didn't when I was new to Frontlines all the way back during my noob days of Secure), and if it did, the newbie in question would without a doubt be right in pursuing a harassment report over it. I don't think anyone here is disputing that.

The problem is, I don't feel like this is what was happening. I feel like players felt entitled to queue into a team competitive mode, 100% clueless, run around aimlessly feeding kills and then have the gall to get upset when other players chewed them out over it. I feel like they perceived rudeness - while not ideal - as harassment, and swore off the entire PVP community as a pile of festering pustules when in reality they didn't bother to see how their careless actions influenced others. I feel like a lot of them coast by with mediocrity in PVE and feel like that cavalier attitude is acceptable for PVP, when in fact they're two entirely different types of play with VASTLY different skill requirements and much stricter penalties for failure.

This might be seen as harsh, I don't know. Maybe someone will read this and get the impression that I'm the biggest jerk there is, and that I only view my Feast teammates as a means to an end, a ball and chain, and anchor around my neck if they're bad, or whatever sort of unflattering label they want to imagine I apply to others. But the truth is, I don't. I respect effort, I respect inquisition. I respect players who respect players, first and foremost, and that INCLUDES not feeling entitled to stroll into a ranked match fresh off the turnip truck to Ishgard and happily tank a group's rating because "hey man I'm learning, you don't pay my sub". I'd much rather lose with an earnest newbie who walks away determined to correct their mistakes and do better next time than win by carrying a total deadweight who hopes to skate by off the effort of others.

I mean, even FRONTLINES helps you get acquainted with your PVP skills, burst damage (healing in PVP is WAY different than healing in PVE), situational awareness, etc. I don't understand why people even now feel the need to just jump right into ranked with players who have done other modes of PVP gameplay, learned from it, and are actively trying to climb the ladder. It's flagrantly disrespectful. And now this chat ban sucks, because I don't know WHO is new but actually trying their best, and who just plain sucks but felt entitled to waste 3 other peoples' time. For what it's worth, I probably wouldn't flame the second sort of player either way (I'm pretty non-confrontational outside of the forums, haha), but I can completely understand players who would lash out at that type of player out of frustration.