The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Pence]

PvP chat restrictions is giving me PvP induced rage. It feels weird, it feels constricting somehow. Here's 3/7 other players you're playing with but you have no way of communicating with them outside some pathetic macros. More and more people are finishing up their mounts now, the PvP queues will be in decline and eventually dead. Nek minit: 'ADD MOUNT 2 CASH ME OUT BACK STORE, PVP DED' threads will be flooding the forums.

[Ama_Hamada]

Low tier matches probably and some exception in high tier but in the end no matter how many phrases u add it will never cover everything you possibly want to say. There are people who ignore you either way yes but there are ppl who take advices and got better within the season cause of chat. You may think toxicity is gone but PvPers have discords/linkshell/livestreams to talk ppl bad and ppl always be bad if they dont get any advice/critism.

I was on skpye with a friend, healer/ tank and did much better. More communication the better. I have no idea what Cordie's objective here in saying getting rid of chat is a good thing when they do not even pvp as much.

Again this question is ignored by all these "pro-ban chat" players on these forums and I am coming up with the conclusion they do not want to address it since it strongly disproves their argument. How come PvE chat is not removed? it is NOT NEEDED at all OTHER THEN TO BE TOXIC! they are scripted fights, easily predictable once you learn them/ read up on them/ video etc. people are not scripted, you need to communicate in pvp, in pve it is just there to let people be toxic.

REMOVE ALL CHAT FROM ALL INSTANCED content, including ls, novice network, tells, etc, or allow ALL CHAT in ALL instances. stop this ban tells in DF as well. this censorship is ridiculous, stop treating adults like 2 year olds. stop with the DOUBLE standards!

[Zojha]

Again this question is ignored by all these "pro-ban chat" players on these forums and I am coming up with the conclusion they do not want to address it since it strongly disproves their argument. How come PvE chat is not removed?

It's not that the question is ignored, it's that the answer continuously gets ignored or given the "You can't prove that!"-treatment of denial:
Assuming the translation of Yoshida during live letter XXXIII is correct (Which is still pending confirmation or disconfirmation), no other content in the game, including Frontlines, has or had such a high density of toxicity in chat as Feast.

As such, it's not a double standard nor has it ever been. It's always been one standard on tolerance thresholds. Feast passed that threshold, the rest of the game didn't - an achievement in its own right.

You know what really is a double standard? Putting the chat restriction in any modes without the high density of toxicity - Light Party and Fold for sure, 8vs8 debatable. "That" is an actual double standard. That's something to legitimately get outraged about. People just don't, because it doesn't suit their goals to get chat back for Solo-Ranked, as it would be admitting Ranked to be the main issue, which people don't want - No amount nor quality of argument can convince a man to go against their motivation. It's the joyous futility of forum discussions.

[Ama_Hamada]

It's not that the question is ignored, it's that the answer continuously gets ignored or given the "You can't prove that!"-treatment of denial:
Assuming the translation of Yoshida during live letter XXXIII is correct (Which is still pending confirmation or disconfirmation), no other content in the game, including Frontlines, has or had sucha high density of toxicity in chat as Feast.

As such, it's not a double standard nor has it ever been. It's always been one standard on tolerance thresholds. Feast passed that threshold, the rest of the game didn't - an achievement in its own right.

You know what really is a double standard? Putting the chat restriction in any modes without the high density of toxicity - Light Party and Fold for sure, 8vs8 debatable. "That" is an actual double standard. That's something to legitimately get outraged about. People just don't, because it doesn't suit their goals to get chat back for Solo-Ranked, as it would be admitting Ranked to be the main issue, which people don't want - No amount nor quality of argument can convince a man to go against their motivation. It's the joyous futility of forum discussions.

I would disagree, PvE is way more toxic, one just gets reported then the other is more likely the situation since the reply in one is "deal with it" or kick abuse from premade grouping vs "omg pvp is just toxic" Luckily, the person yesterday was kicked out of my party after harassing me for trying to teach him the first fight in the new void arc series while healing instead just giving me that generic "lets just get this done" You also do not need chat to explain how scripted events work, so pvp needs chat more then pve, this comment was ignored again.

I really do not understand "You know what really is a double standard? Putting the chat restriction in any modes without the high density of toxicity - Light Party and Fold for sure, 8vs8 debatable. "That" is an actual double standard." I do not see this line make any sense. I actually do not get that whole paragraph. If SE was a leader of a country, and this was applied to real life, they would ban all cars because you can run over someone. Too many accidents happen so they ban cars suddenly. it is very inhumane to blame the tool, not the person because how a tool is used. Hire more gms, or something. We pay too much for this game to the point retainers cost more then the subscription.

[Moonlite]

Again this question is ignored by all these "pro-ban chat" players on these forums and I am coming up with the conclusion they do not want to address it since it strongly disproves their argument. How come PvE chat is not removed? it is NOT NEEDED at all OTHER THEN TO BE TOXIC!

No you have repeatedly ignored the response and head in sand. Vote kick works in all other content. If you chose to use it or not. It works in frontlines it works in 24 man raids it works in preformed groups.

V O T E K I C K

V O T E K I C K

Is that obvious enough for you. SE pretty well allows vote kick for anything.

A N Y T H I N G

So all other content has a tool that allows you to move on and complete content. How is that suppose to work in feast. You are clearly the one ignoring the reasons.

[Kai_Lee]

These debates are getting SLOPPY

[KusoWat]

Simply put, majority of the pro-ban people barely, if at all, play Feast.

[Ama_Hamada]

No you have repeatedly ignored the response and head in sand. Vote kick works in all other content. If you chose to use it or not. It works in frontlines it works in 24 man raids it works in preformed groups.

V O T E K I C K

V O T E K I C K

Is that obvious enough for you. SE pretty well allows vote kick for anything.

A N Y T H I N G

So all other content has a tool that allows you to move on and complete content. How is that suppose to work in feast. You are clearly the one ignoring the reasons.

and me and someone else explained that argument did not hold water, and you ignored that, why? also what about when people group up together to make themselves immune to it anyway? You never seen vote kick abuse, vote kick immunity abuse, vote kick revenge abuse from this?

In the end, you choice to throw out a red herring, and not debate the point, I guess that is all people can do who support the feast ban, along with not playing it a lot and not caring much about pvp. I have not seen anyone supporting it that truly cares about pvp. The vote kick needs to be removed due to abuse, all PvE chat needs to be removed, before it should be removed in pvp. I know that will not happen and I do not want it to, but it is a less ridiculous thought then banning chat in feast. They need more tools for GMs to use, more tools for players to report things to make it easier, some people don't report PvE harassment because it is too much of a bother along with thinking gms don't act on it. This needs addressing, not removing a chat in a game mode of a social game online.

[Moonlite]

The point is simple one has a tool the other does not at this time simple. I also have had no problem booting people in 24s or 4s and replacing them. That is what trash sets are for for loot to drop and kicking. The game allows for majority vote. Not getting booted means you were decided by the group. You keep complaining about the tool. It works. Does it work the way you want it, maybe not. When you convince SE to do the work to provide a similar tool for feast not pvp that doesn't completely break it I will come back and apologize to the silly, ahh pve argument. Right now some people just look pouty.

And i don't want the ban I want effin scorched earth for people who don't know how to control themselves. You can't have that with a chat ban.

[Ama_Hamada]

The point is simple one has a tool the other does not at this time simple. I also have had no problem booting people in 24s or 4s and replacing them. That is what trash sets are for for loot to drop and kicking.

And i don't want the ban I want effin scorched earth for people who don't know how to control themselves. You can't have that with a chat ban.

You are still posting nothing in relation for my main point, and why are you even saying anything if you do not want the chat ban? the arguments hold no water, they do not make sense, and you did not even reply to me. You being able to put a vote kick request does not address the post I made.