So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Kaedan]

You can think it's BLU all you want, it doesn't negate the substantial evidence that SAM is next even despite the data files.

Except there isn't substantial evidence. There is weak speculation, less convincing than BLU. Every shirt YP has worn has been a direct clue, not some obscure reference to a guy who did a few movies compared to the thousands of comic books and other Spiderman media. A character attacked by a creature and then gaining it's powers is the most direct reference that can be made from his shirt... which indicates BLU. This is coming from the guy who wore Batman for the Dark Knight, the Scarlet Witch for Red Mage and 007 for a gunner class.

The files found are much more likely to be holdovers from when they were going to introduce SAM instead of DRK. The reason they wouldn't have shown up until now (if it's not simply a case of them not being found before now) would be because they were part of a different branch of code that was merged.

[Shippuu]

Except there isn't substantial evidence. There is weak speculation, less convincing than BLU. Every shirt YP has worn has been a direct clue, not some obscure reference to a guy who did a few movies compared to the thousands of comic books and other Spiderman media. A character attacked by a creature and then gaining it's powers is the most direct reference that can be made from his shirt... which indicates BLU. This is coming from the guy who wore Batman for the Dark Knight, the Scarlet Witch for Red Mage and 007 for a gunner class.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record here. There is far weaker speculation for BLU than there is for SAM.

• Samurai was the team's first pick for the tank in Heavensward, meaning it's on the top of their list of jobs to add, it was changed last minute to Dark Knight. There is no reason to believe they would then backburner it for another 4+ years, the logical conclusion is that it's coming next.

• Samurai was named directly by Yoshida in-game during the rising event, in the same statement about working on new jobs that named Red Mage.
  

• It was then later mentioned once again specifically by name in game, acknlowledging that they exist within the lore and setting. This statement appearing in 3.5, right on the cusp of Stormblood.
  

And while it's an odd and obscure reference the shirt still has at least a credible connection, and while the Batman and Scarlet Witch shirts were more obvious, while the 007 one was a bit more vague, it's still highly plausible Yoshida chose such an obscure reference this time because we already have lots of evidence that Samurai is coming, and thus using anything that would be too easy to guess would prevent people from speculating.



As for Blue Mage, literally the only connection is that yes, Spiderman can be alluding to Blue Mage due to the fact he gained spider powers from a spider, still, there are far better characters to represent Blue Mage if they wanted it to be so obvious, such as Rogue from X-men, or even non-comic book characters such as Megaman. But that's literally it for Blue Mage, the only other possible hint was in a vague comment from the Rising Event (Not by Yoshida's character insert either) that merely reference White, Black, Red, and Blue. On top of that, the reference was not present in other languages, making it exclusively only in the English localization, weakening it's claim.

That's literally it, people have been trying to do tremendous reaches every time there's so much of a mention of the color blue. But the truth is, there's nothing in setting that really references them, and comments by Yoshida himself count against Blue Mage as he has reaffirmed his old ideas at the JP fanfest for Blue Mage, and he would certainly not discuss an unrevealed job like he did mere 2 months before it's official reveal.

The files found are much more likely to be holdovers from when they were going to introduce SAM instead of DRK. The reason they wouldn't have shown up until now (if it's not simply a case of them not being found before now) would be because they were part of a different branch of code that was merged.

You are wrong however. Aside from the nonsense of it being a "different branch of code being merged", the naming and location of the files are specifically in an EX2 folder, classifying them as Expansion 2, mirroring Heavensward folders labelled as EX1. This means they are not old files, especially since they were added along with Red Mage files of which we knew was not in consideration for Heavensward. These are new files specifically added for Stormblood, and labelled and located specifically in Stormblood categories.

[TarynH]

And while it's an odd and obscure reference the shirt still has at least a credible connection, and while the Batman and Scarlet Witch shirts were more obvious, while the 007 one was a bit more vague

It's a very obscure reference, either way you go with it. A director? Yoshida said Spider-man has more than one director, as he was brushing off SAM talk. A random instance where he was dressed as a SAM? Pretty obscure there too.

007 obscure? A guy that goes around using gadgets and guns. Fits perfectly imo. Kind of spot on there. Especially when Yoshida did the gun move. Just missing the car and the girl.

As for Blue Mage, literally the only connection is that yes, Spiderman can be alluding to Blue Mage due to the fact he gained spider powers from a spider, still, there are far better characters to represent Blue Mage if they wanted it to be so obvious, such as Rogue from X-men

Couldn't the same be said about SAM? A more obvious shirt could've been used for that job as well. Instead of the obscure references listed above. Why Spider-man? Why would Yoshida say he likes red, but also blue? Is SAM going to get blue armor now and sling webs? This job sounds crazier and crazier. Now I'm considering it over RDM.

That's literally it, people have been trying to do tremendous reaches every time there's so much of a mention of the color blue. But the truth is, there's nothing in setting that really references them, and comments by Yoshida himself count against Blue Mage as he has reaffirmed his old ideas at the JP fanfest for Blue Mage, and he would certainly not discuss an unrevealed job like he did mere 2 months before it's official reveal.

But there is nothing at all that references BLU in the game. You're right. I'll go talk to Raubahn about the Immortal Flames, and ask him if he caught that developer event. See what his pick is; red or blue. Maybe I'll polish Tizona for him.

Also, there could be a couple of reasons for down talking "traditional" BLU. Which is more the case in the interview. One could be that they don't want the players to get extremely excited for getting "traditional" BLU, because they are going a different route with it. (Like RDM) In other words, they don't want to lie and say the BLU of old is coming to Hydaelyn, and have it turn out to be a whole other monster. For instance, some fans might get upset that FFXIV's BLU maybe doesn't go around learning spells.

Or, second reason, to throw us off the scent for awhile to build more hype.

[GMERC]

It's a very obscure reference, either way you go with it. A director? Yoshida said Spider-man has more than one director, as he was brushing off SAM talk.

Uh, just so you know, in the same interview he 'brushed off' BLU talk in the same fashion.

[TarynH]

Uh, just so you know, in the same interview he 'brushed off' BLU talk in the same fashion.

He brushed off "traditional" BLU, as in the going-around-learning-spells BLU. He said he didn't see it working in this type of MMO. It worked in FFXI, because FFXI had a system for it. But I think I've got something that will make everyone happy.

New Theory: It's BLU and SAM put together. That's why he chose that particular shirt. Because it references both. The villain in 4.0 has a gunblade, but the blade part is like a katana. He sticks it in the gun part on his left, (has 3 slots on it) and it's pre-loaded with spells. You get the katana of SAM, with the gun of gun mage (BLU in FFX-2). It's the best of both worlds!

[GMERC]

Because it references both. The villain in 4.0 has a gunblade, but the blade part is like a katana. He sticks it in the gun part on his left, (has 3 slots on it)

It's just a gunsheath. You know, like Jetstream Sam?

[TarynH]

It's just a gunsheath. You know, like Jetstream Sam?

Nope. Don't know anything about that. Samubluegun is the new job.

"When asked on the weapon Zenos held, Yoshida said that "while the weapons he hold doesn't really relate to his character, but if asked whether he's holding a gunblade then yes he is holding a gunblade." Yoshida told the interviewer to look closely at his artwork later and see if they can notice something from it."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ida_after_nas/ source

[Shippuu]

For instance: http://gamerescape.com/2013/02/21/ga...iv-media-tour/ An interview back in 2013 where Yoshida talks about Thief/Ninja, and then in the next sentence says he'd like to see more casting jobs like BLU and RDM. There they are, mentioned together. Is it real? Should I take that as absolute truth because he said them in the same breath together? Or is that a red herring?

It's no doubt Blue Mage will make it into this game at some point, it's one of few iconic Final Fantasy jobs left. No one is saying Blue Mage will never come, only that there's little current evidence it's coming in Stormblood.

How about the event we had where we got to go into the developer's room in game? Where two of them were fighting over putting RDM or BLU in the game? Red herring, or am I to believe that as absolute proof both are coming?

I've already explained how that's a poor example, as the dialogue that mentioned the color blue was not present in the other 3 languages, nor was it a direct name drop, merely an obvious nod. It's also vague enough to be interpreted as something that comes after red mage, not with it.

I find it ironically funny that you're denying the evidence for BLU, while saying I'm denying the evidence for SAM.

I'm not denying evidence for Blue Mage, only that the evidence being reached for is weak and unsubstantial in comparison, especially in comparison to Samurai.

What about the evidence for all three? http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4960.html "I've seen many a conversation online about the desire to see Samurai, Red Mage, and Blue Mage... and sometimes Puppetmaster" All three mentioned together recently, and oh... PUP too. I guess none of those jobs can be added unless PUP is added at the same time? Since we have to take everything said as absolute truth and all.

This is simply not evidence actually, the quote you're referring to in the article is in brackets, meaning it's the words of the writer, not a quote from Yoshida.

Couldn't the same be said about SAM? A more obvious shirt could've been used for that job as well. Instead of the obscure references listed above. Why Spider-man? Why would Yoshida say he likes red, but also blue? Is SAM going to get blue armor now and sling webs? This job sounds crazier and crazier. Now I'm considering it over RDM.

All he said about the color red on the spiderman shirt was on stage that he jokingly wanted to put on a red shirt because the color theme for Stormblood is red. He never said he likes red, but also likes blue, where you're pulling that from is beyond me.

But there is nothing at all that references BLU in the game. You're right. I'll go talk to Raubahn about the Immortal Flames, and ask him if he caught that developer event. See what his pick is; red or blue. Maybe I'll polish Tizona for him.

This same weak garbage once again. A character sharing a name is nothing new in this game, and tizona, while a BLU relic in FFXI, is still a historical sword just like any other sword used in FF games that are often recurring. Raubhan in FFXIV has zero correlation to Blue Mage outside of simply sharing some names (cause surprise, a lot of the devs are the same!) A callback and nothing more. He doesn't look like a blue mage, he doesn't fight like a blue mage.
I guess Seer is guaranteed to be coming now, since Krile not only shares her name but also iconic cat-ear hood and even casts healing spells too. She's a far better example of your logic than Raubhan could ever be in the slightest.

Also, there could be a couple of reasons for down talking "traditional" BLU. Which is more the case in the interview. One could be that they don't want the players to get extremely excited for getting "traditional" BLU, because they are going a different route with it. (Like RDM) In other words, they don't want to lie and say the BLU of old is coming to Hydaelyn, and have it turn out to be a whole other monster. For instance, some fans might get upset that FFXIV's BLU maybe doesn't go around learning spells.

Yet they're going to tease it with a shirt just like the other jobs, and save it for a big announcement during the key note just like the other jobs? And treat it just like the reveal of all the past expansion jobs even though it's not going to be like them at all? Your logic contradicts itself.

[TarynH]

It's no doubt Blue Mage will make it into this game at some point

Maybe the same time as SAM? Gasp!

I've already explained how that's a poor example, as the dialogue that mentioned the color blue was not present in the other 3 languages, nor was it a direct name drop, merely an obvious nod. It's also vague enough to be interpreted as something that comes after red mage, not with it.

So let me get this straight. You cited the exact same event. Where it was a weak reference to "what comes next?" as your "evidence," but I can't use that same event where they're fighting over RDM and BLU?

And you cite yet another weak reference about someone saying that samurai exist? Yeah... and water is wet. Duh. We already know they "exist" in the lore of the game. The job itself is probably in the game, and I've never denied that. I said I find it odd they'd "leak" it before the announcement, is all.

I'm not one of those SAM or BLU, my way or the highway people. But since this thread is about the shirt, precisely, I feel the shirt eludes to BLU more than SAM. That is not to say SAM can't also be in the game with BLU.

I'm not denying evidence for Blue Mage, only that the evidence being reached for is weak and unsubstantial in comparison, especially in comparison to Samurai.

But you are. Every time you say "unsubstantial," you are denying that any evidence for BLU exists, when it's quite the contrary. A file name can be changed, or dropped, just as easily as one can be added. That samjob file could just as easily turn into pupjob during the next patch.

This is simply not evidence actually, the quote you're referring to in the article is in brackets, meaning it's the words of the writer, not a quote from Yoshida.

Even my obviously facetious "evidence" is not "evidence" to you. I get it. Your little Lalafell heart is set on SAM. Hope you made room in there for BLU and PUP too.

All he said about the color red on the spiderman shirt was on stage that he jokingly wanted to put on a red shirt because the color theme for Stormblood is red. He never said he likes red, but also likes blue, where you're pulling that from is beyond me.

The best translation we got was that he mentioned blue there. Since I don't know Japanese, I kind of went with the translators on reddit at the time. That's where I'm "pulling" it from.

This same weak garbage once again. A character sharing a name is nothing new in this game, and tizona, while a BLU relic in FFXI, is still a historical sword just like any other sword used in FF games that are often recurring. Raubhan in FFXIV has zero correlation to Blue Mage outside of simply sharing some names (cause surprise, a lot of the devs are the same!) A callback and nothing more. He doesn't look like a blue mage, he doesn't fight like a blue mage.
I guess Seer is guaranteed to be coming now, since Krile not only shares her name but also iconic cat-ear hood and even casts healing spells too. She's a far better example of your logic than Raubhan could ever be in the slightest.

Again, you deny even the slightest little things. Krile could actually fit the role of seer. Whether or not that job is introduced is a question for later. Raubahn fits the role of a BLU. His weapons of choice are used by BLU in another game. He also uses abilities that closely resemble Ifrit's. Oddly, none of this came out until the 3.X story arc. His whole entire character is a big reference to BLU in FFXI. A game where BLU was explored more than other games in the franchise. They're not even trying hard to hide it, if you ask me. But because a random NPC in a village doesn't say "I'm reminded of the Blue Mages of old, that used to get their powers from monsters," you turn a blind eye to it.

Astrologian, Machinist, Dark Knight. Where were they mentioned before 3.0? Ninja had a few references, but what about the other jobs?

Yet they're going to tease it with a shirt just like the other jobs, and save it for a big announcement during the key note just like the other jobs? And treat it just like the reveal of all the past expansion jobs even though it's not going to be like them at all? Your logic contradicts itself.

AST did not get a shirt at all. Does that mean it's not really a job?

That was one possible theory on why he didn't really want to go in depth about what they could do with BLU, or why he purposely talked about why traditional BLU wouldn't work in FFXIV.

[VeliusVire]

Astrologians were actually mentioned since 2.0 in Coerthas Central Highlands Just saying! MCH/DRK however, I've got no sources for.