Question to healers regarding Limit Break and Duty Finder

[Rongway]

The highest damage use of a limit break is to AoE a trash pull. If these potencies are still current, and there are at least four targets, a caster LB1 will outdamage a melee LB2. If there are seven targets, caster LB1 outdamages melee LB3.

Therefore, a ranged DD should BigShot/Skyshard the largest pack of mobs in the dungeon if you want to use the LB to greatest effect.



On the subject of using a healer LB to gain more nuking time, it would only be worth it if you could manage to do 5000 potency of damage in the time bought by the LB. This would require two Holies/Gravities on about 16 targets, or three Holies/Gravities on about 10 targets. As the LB1 only restores 25% HP, I have trouble believing that it could buy you enough time to cast three or four more Holies/Gravities in excess of the ones you can already cast with Swiftcast and stuns. It would certainly not be worth it to healer LB to buy nuke time if you're casting anything other than Holy/Gravity.

Having a BRD/MCH using FoeRequiem/Hypercharge to boost your magic damage would make it easier for you to reach those numbers, of course, but in that case, the BRD/MCH should be the one LBing anyway, not the healer.

[seekified]

It varies between dungeons, but for most level 50 and 60 stuff it's usually best to do enormous pulls and caster LB1 them. If you think of the whole dungeon as one big HP bar, a caster LB1 on 10-15 targets does far more damage than a melee LB1/LB2 on bosses.

As for healer LBs, traditionally they're not used outside of 8/24-man content, where the LB3's Raise can sometimes prevent a wipe (certainly more often since 3.4 improved its effects). I definitely see dungeon runs where nobody'll use the LB at all though, in which case your method is definitely better than nothing. You'll probably continue to get a lot of heat for it, though. Many players have very strong opinions regarding LB use, despite the fact that so many melees will waste them on the last few percents of a boss.

[Neela]

Many players have very strong opinions regarding LB use, despite the fact that so many melees will waste them on the last few percents of a boss.

yeah thats what i said... why do so many player thing it's the best use for LB3... on the last few percents? its not Mortal Kombat...

oh after i checked the wiki Rongway linked above i'll remember the usage of healer lb2 on some raids i did in the past to actually raise mp for reviewed healer/caster in emergency-situations. but this should be an exception in the end ^^

[raela]

yeah thats what i said... why do so many player thing it's the best use for LB3... on the last few percents? its not Mortal Kombat...

oh after i checked the wiki Rongway linked above i'll remember the usage of healer lb2 on some raids i did in the past to actually raise mp for reviewed healer/caster in emergency-situations. but this should be an exception in the end ^^

If the group is really shaky / I'm expecting chaos at the end of the boss, I will request that people hold LB3 until we're sure danger has passed. I find it's a somewhat common situation in the third/final boss of the 24 mans.. I had many wipes in World of Darkness because DPS limit break was used when it filled, then people totally screwed up the new meteor phase. Tank or heal LB could save it at that point.

[Neela]

yeah im with ya regarding the healer lb in new content or savage training. but in df or casual farm runs you'll get a feeling if your grp is capable of using it as dps-increase or hold it as backup pretty fast. yesterday i laughed out loud after a random Nin used the LB3 right after maximum and got flamed hard to hold it back... we were more than fine... hots, noc, and full lp on the whole grp though... i just can't get used to "it always have to be the finishing move" q.q

edit: oh and yay now where you mention WoD – i noticed much more wipes these days in ct1-3 and coils than in newer content too... cause half of the player base didn't even know the old mechanics, thinking they can just rush through with their awesome (capped) gear... and we don't have to handle with jump potions yet... will be even worse with 4.0 ^^'

[Average-Joe]

Once during the last boss of Aurum Vale I went OOM and we were all about to die - But the DPS hadn't used the LB yet so I popped it, healed everyone to full, and tried to do as much DPS as my mana would allow. Luckily we made it through and I was applauded for my use of the Limit Break, so yes - it has its purposes - But I don't use it unless the party is in a dire situation where I won't be able to heal them before they die without it. Using it when that isn't the case seems silly, since you can just order a dps to use it and they usually will, and that shortens the fight.

[Gemina]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Just to be clear, I am aware that healer LB isn't the most optimal use in four man content and a caster LB on a huge trash pull would be better, if not the best use of it. That is why I get so frustrated when they save it. Drives me batty. But I will use the suggestion to call for it from the appropriate DPS.

I just don't want it to go to waste. I'll still use it though if the group is in trouble and a DPS LB won't do much to save the day.

[UAnchovy]

This is something i never got and probably will never get... if your are running in a grp where everybody knows at least the mechanics - LB3 should be fired out as soon as possible, there is no reason to keep it for the last 10%... especially in raids and savage is a chance that you'll gain bar 1 or even 2 back after using lvl3 in the first place. Waiting for the "fatality" move without a reason is the "real" waste of LB imo.

Usually the last phase of the boss is the most dangerous, and it makes sense to me to use the LB to minimise the most dangerous phase.

[Taika]

Much better to just ask for the DDs to use it as soon as it's up in 4 person content. Melee LB on boss and caster (or ranged, if there's no caster) perhaps on big trash pulls (it seems to be a DPS loss to use caster / ranged LB1 on single target boss).

[DreamWeaver]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Just to be clear, I am aware that healer LB isn't the most optimal use in four man content and a caster LB on a huge trash pull would be better, if not the best use of it. That is why I get so frustrated when they save it. Drives me batty. But I will use the suggestion to call for it from the appropriate DPS.

I just don't want it to go to waste. I'll still use it though if the group is in trouble and a DPS LB won't do much to save the day.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure a simple AoE heal provides way more healing than healer LB 1?

Just be passive aggressive and cast->cancel LB repeatedly until they get the hint.