Please read about Physical Levels and Removing them.

[Reika]

Nothing needs to be scrapped IMO. The battle system just needs tweaking, The wards just needed Tweaking, Retainers just needed Tweaking, Levequests just needed tweaking, and Physical leve stats just needed tweaking.

So many wanting Market wards to be scraped, the whole battle system to be scrapped, levequests to be scrapped, etc. It is all just silly. You can always go fight your way to becoming the producer of this game and make these changes yourself if you really think it all that necessary. We are fortunate that Yoshi-P even asked for our opinions.

[Seikninkuru]

You do realize this is what Player Polls are for right?

People already voted on this.

No one wants to see uniqueness go away but then again no one wants a Shades of Grey free-for-all either. There are other ways to make the game unique and keep diversity than keeping the Physical Level and points.

We could still get stat points when ranking up but make the default stats for that class locked in. That way the job has its original specifications met and we can build on top of those to customize it to our liking.

If you think about it. This makes sense because you rarely need a drastic stat change when using a class for other than its original purpose.

Why would you put a lot of Accuracy on a WHM?

Why would you redistribute your NIN Eva to Int? In order to nuke better on it?

Why would you put your PLD Def/Vit more into Str? You going to be a DD?

LOL. I know I made some silly scenarios BUT my point is there is always a solution other than lighting torches and mobbing SE because they want to take a useless aspect out of the game. Their main point was PHYSICAL level is useless and has to go. As far as stat allotments go, there are a million ways to skin a cat... Who knows maybe even PHYSICAL lvl would be worth keeping if it served some other purpose.

First of all there are no WHM, NIN, or PLD. So let's go with what we have currently(as close as I can come).

Let's say WHM = CON/THM Why put magic accuracy on it? So you can land debuffs/spells...

NIN, I guess all we can use is a PUG Why put int on it? Not too sure on that, unless the player wanted to be some sort of spellhand type class...

Why would a glad want to put more str on? Shield dmg reduction, more dmg(more hate)

If these aren't the most ideal set ups, what is it to you specifically is my question. Don't play with someone if you are so hell bent on them playing your way.

[Reika]

Well, that would kinda collide with the " you are a character, not a job" ideology?
I mean, you already have a lot of skills from other classes, so you are overpowered anyways.Compared to someone who just started brand new.
Why not instead let you customize your character fully?Or at least to a degree when the impact at lv 50 to move stats around is important and not minimal.

Yes but you cannot set all the skills from another class. There are still action points. At R1 you couldn't set more than maybe 4 skills that use AP

[Zkieve]

Nothing needs to be scrapped IMO. The battle system just needs tweaking, The wards just needed Tweaking, Retainers just needed Tweaking, Levequests just needed tweaking, and Physical leve stats just needed tweaking.

So many wanting Market wards to be scraped, the whole battle system to be scrapped, levequests to be scrapped, etc. It is all just silly. You can always go fight your way to becoming the producer of this game and make these changes yourself if you really think it all that necessary. We are fortunate that Yoshi-P even asked for our opinions.

IMO somethings needs tweaking , others are plain bothersome and unneeded .Market system for instance.Is just an AH without being an AH . I dont care if they ever make it an AH , at all. But tbh , is unnecessary step to go and find a retainer after you have marked the one with the right price.
Leve quest are great for solo people.I just hate how random they are.
Battle system and stats , well tbh if they scrapped it all i wouldnt miss it one bit.I understand why people dont whant this to happend, but imo it could be reworked much better if it was built from scratch.One thin is certain , there are some mayor changes incoming towards battle and such . lets hope this time we get it right.

[Valor]

I think SE was spot on with having Physical Levels, why? Because it forces us, the players, to make a choice. We have to actually create and develop our characters to our playstyle ideal. Without physical levels mixing and matching doesn't have the same appeal, and everyone will be playing the calculated 'best build' for each class. Soon, we will get stuck in a position AGAIN, where if you don't play with the best skills from a set group of classes to be in a party.

I personally, would be miffed if it came to that. There is a big difference between things being De Facto or De Jure. Right now, we can be as custom as we like, but we have to sacrifice for it; which is what makes it so great.

If everyone is perfect, then there is no uniqueness. Perfect is no longer perfect, it's normal.

With all that said, "I want my allocated points to mean something."

Well, that would kinda collide with the " you are a character, not a job" ideology?
I mean, you already have a lot of skills from other classes, so you are overpowered anyways.Compared to someone who just started brand new.
Why not instead let you customize your character fully?Or at least to a degree when the impact at lv 50 to move stats around is important and not minimal.

We have enough idiots who don't know how to play their classes at this point. No need to give them more power than necessary.

[Zkieve]

Yes but you cannot set all the skills from another class. There are still action points. At R1 you couldn't set more than maybe 4 skills that use AP

well i dont know exactly by memory but i can swear i used cure 2 on all my low leve jobs when i leveled them.

Don't play with someone if you are so hell bent on them playing your way.

Brilliant.

We have enough idiots who don't know how to play their classes at this point. No need to give them more power than necessary.

lol!

[Joe_Cool]

I prefer they keep the physical levels and the bonus points that you can allocate to a stat of your choosing. I think being able to increase and decrease stats yourself goes along nicely with being able to set abilities and spells you learn from different jobs onto the job you're currently playing as. It makes people play a certain job in a variety of ways. A DD might want to stack on the PIE so he can cast (and it'll stick) Absorb spells while another DD would stack on the MND so that he'll have more MP to heal (might be low on healers in that fight). While a third DD just focuses on STR and DEX for massive melee dmg. And maybe the party might need a DD to become a tank and that DD could stack on the VIT. It gives the player different ways he can play his favorite job based on what he likes doing and lets him change things up if he gets tired of playing it a certain way. They do need to make the stats you allocate more effective though.

[Reika]

IMO somethings needs tweaking , others are plain bothersome and unneeded .Market system for instance.Is just an AH without being an AH . I dont care if they ever make it an AH , at all. But tbh , is unnecessary step to go and find a retainer after you have marked the one with the right price.
Leve quest are great for solo people.I just hate how random they are.
Battle system and stats , well tbh if they scrapped it all i wouldnt miss it one bit.I understand why people dont whant this to happend, but imo it could be reworked much better if it was built from scratch.One thin is certain , there are some mayor changes incoming towards battle and such . lets hope this time we get it right.

It is too much to walk to a retainer to buy the item? Cmon now, that is just being lazy lol.

All these calls for adding auto attack, removing the stamina bar, removing physical levels~ It is all just trying to make FFXIV just like FFXI. FFXIV is its own game with its own concepts. Only if you have played way too many MMO's in your life time, and actually have the lack of love for originality, would you want FFXIV to completely go in their direction. I mostly like to play this as if I never played any other MMO, some things excluded ,Like removal of the stops while going active or passive or raising and lowering your shield. Thats about the only think I see needs to be scrapped, or at least sped up, in the whole MMO. Adding to and tweaking what is already here would be better

[Zkieve]

The one real beef i have with the stat points is how lite impact it actually has over your performance.
All could be "fixed with the right tweaking, but at this point, i dont even think it would be possible.
By example, right now with the current numbers of what you can increase, if i put them all in vit, to put an example .I would like them to take effect towards my def .Right now it doesnt work well, apart from HP.
With 100 VIT or 174 vit i still get hit by the same.
With 100 str and 174 str i still hit for around the same.
With 60 dex i barely miss on glad .

Changing stats around impact is minimal on higer levels, by instance if system had higer caps, lets say something like until 200, and that stats started having a low effect around 150 or so, i would be content.
If i wanted a MRD with 200 str, to hit like a truck , and die in 1 hit , that should be my choice.Or if i wanted to have supper uber defense with glad .Or a crit rate of 90% with my arch or pugi.

Now THIS is freedom, you might disagree with me , but the current system does not let you customize your char. At least not enough to make it worth it.Add on top of that stats not working (or so i think( and is what we have now .Personally i would like a system like what i stated above. But in the game current state, i would take anything over what we currently have now.

I say this and ill say it again.This game was supoused to be about freedom of choice.I have never felt more restricted in any other game before.

[Zkieve]

It is too much to walk to a retainer to buy the item? Cmon now, that is just being lazy lol.

All these calls for adding auto attack, removing the stamina bar, removing physical levels~ It is all just trying to make FFXIV just like FFXI. FFXIV is its own game with its own concepts. Only if you have played way too many MMO's in your life time, and actually have the lack of love for originality, would you want FFXIV to completely go in their direction. I mostly like to play this as if I never played any other MMO, some things excluded ,Like removal of the stops while going active or passive or raising and lowering your shield. Thats about the only think I see needs to be scrapped, or at least sped up, in the whole MMO. Adding to and tweaking what is already here would be better

You understood me wrong, i dont think we should go FFXI-2 direction, at all.But for the sake of player friendly game, somethings could be avoided.Such as that.

I hope they leave AH till the end , (couse tbh the current direction of the game is whatever masses whant -will get)i dont need an AH at all, current system is functional.Could it be better ? definitely.