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  1. #141
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    bswpayton's Avatar
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    People keep going on about nerfs and unsync like its the samething a nerf and an unsync is no where near the same thing not even close. If a nerf was enough then people waiting to do Alexander or extreme primals from Hw wouldnt be waiting until it goes unsync to do it.

    A nerf brings something down from its hardest possible level it does not however take the challenge away totally , unsync in an 4 to 8 man party takes it away 100 percent. Nerfs are not the same, and also nobody cares about showing off a mount, I dont care if people see me with this or that mount or this or that bird. Its about people shouldnt get rewarded for not doing anything but taking the easy route, its about honor and integrity. If someone is a college student makes all As then that person who made Fs better not get the same reward as the person who actually put in the work. If your in a race if you arent in the top three you get nothing you failed , thank you for participating thats your reward. Nobody cares about being a special snowflake are showing off to all the people in the realm at least I dont, its about a set of people playing the game and putting fourth effort to have it demeaned by people who dont want to do that but they get the samething.

    I am a craft mentor you cant compare crafting to actually clearing the hardest content in the game, this game is based off of battle content, not crafting. You dont give people something for nothing and paying to run a clear and being dead the whole fight you dont deserve a single thing go get the moogle mount, are that gold saucer mount something you can earn yourself. Im not opposed to rewards for buyers but the reward should stop at the clear is the reward why cant stop it stop at mission complete ,for entitled people it has to go further than that and you want stuff that people actually put in work to do and you did nothing.
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    Last edited by bswpayton; 01-28-2017 at 12:41 AM.

  2. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post


    Please, the last thing we need is being pro-special snowflake. Just because you beat the content 4 years ago, when it was actually difficult, does not mean you deserve a different reward than others who are to be doing it in easier circumstances. Your reward was having the best gear/latest mount/etc. currently versus having it 4 years later.
    its not pro-special snowflake. its pro-im learning the content when its relevant and im not a lazy POS syndrome.
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  3. #143
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    Eliza Tepes
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    Ay, why so salty, it's just a game, there are better things to worry about than people you'll never meet.

    Just relax and enjoy your slice of the cake rather than spitting on everyone's slices, no matter how much better than yours they look.
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    "If you have come to the godmother for a favor, you must first pay her your respects"

  4. #144
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    Keisero Starborn
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    its not pro-special snowflake. its pro-im learning the content when its relevant and im not a lazy POS syndrome.
    Just... stop posting. You're not swaying anyone, especially not by name calling.
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  5. #145
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    Narthice Lazuly
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    let me check my watch



    yep, that's about right
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  6. #146
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    If the person paying for the clear and the person selling are happy and not breaking any rules it's not any of your business to be honest. Really if it bothers you so much how other people play the game maybe an mmo isn't for you.
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  7. #147
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    Kylrin Arresard
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    ... Nobody cares about being a special snowflake are showing off to all the people in the realm at least I dont, its about a set of people playing the game and putting fourth effort to have it demeaned by people who dont want to do that but they get the samething. ...
    And yet it's totally obvious from your arguments that you DO CARE. You wouldn't be making such a fuss about this if it didn't bother you in some deeply seeded way. You're saying that the're "demeaning" your effort, but the fact that right now, well after most of that content is relevant, that because they're getting easier access to something makes the struggle you went through less meaningful. It most certainly does not and actually it should make your efforts more meaningful.

    Let's look at it this way... Let's say a company releases a brand new product that every one is going to want but in order to get it you need to wait in line and there's only a very low random chance you'll be allowed to buy it once you get to the front, but you can enter the line as many times as you want. (I know it's a silly analogy, but follow me on this...) So, you can either stand in this huge line for hours on end for your chance to buy it, and if you get it then you'll be one of the first to have it. This is the 'earned' example you speak of and you should feel good for getting it.

    You could also employ another strategy of having other people wait in their line with you, paying them for their time... Time which they still must devote to the endeavor. Does the fact that they're being paid by someone else negate the effort involved? No, it redistributes it, but there is still effort involved.

    You could also just wait, knowing you don't have the endurance/time/money to deal with the line and hope eventually in the future they'll up the odds or have the line be shorter (the equivalent of 'unsynced' in this example). You are more likely to get the item, but at this time is probably been out for months and so many people have them that it's not really rare or unique anymore.

    Now note that in this example, people are employing valid methods to get the same items, but what you're saying is because the people who are getting them any other way than pure brute effort are cheating is invalid and only speaks to you wanting to feel special for having it.

    It has nothing to do with fairness, it has nothing to do with the value of the item. It has everything to do with your personal resentment that someone who came along after you can get these items easier. And by your own admission you feel demeaned by it, you feel that it is taking something away from you which is in total contradiction to the line quoted above. If you "didn't care" you wouldn't feel demeaned, period.
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    Last edited by Malzian; 01-28-2017 at 01:04 AM. Reason: Grammatical.

  8. #148
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    Zigabar's Avatar
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    Sanura Tsukishiro
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    People keep going on about nerfs and unsync like its the samething a nerf and an unsync is no where near the same thing not even close. If a nerf was enough then people waiting to do Alexander or extreme primals from Hw wouldnt be waiting until it goes unsync to do it.
    Sorry to say, but unsync is just an extreme nerf.
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    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

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    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Its about people shouldnt get rewarded for not doing anything but taking the easy route, its about honor and integrity. If someone is a college student makes all As then that person who made Fs better not get the same reward as the person who actually put in the work.
    Honor and integrity? You know this is just a video game right? It sounds like you are comparing it to military service or something also this is not college or school it is a purely entertainment hobby.

    Getting rewards in a video game for no effort is not the same as getting a college degree with F grades. This is just not even comparable so you are making zero sense.

    You aren't very experienced in life if you think some people don't take the easy route and still get rewarded. Like I already explained there are those high IQ students who sleep through class and barely do any extra studying and still get rewarded with As because they might be naturally gifted. While other students might have to put forth triple or quadruple the effort to get the same A reward.

    This is just life and nothing can change it. You are almost never on equal effort footing with anyone else. They are either better than you at something or you are better than them which makes it so one of you has to put forth more effort to get the same reward.

    In general if you are so stuck on everyone must do the same amount of effort this game would only give rewards to the top 1% of players which are the world first groups. Any group clearing after had information/video help (and possibly higher item level) ahead of time and therefore did not put as much effort in as the world first people who went in blind and figured out the fight and mechanics on their own.

    You understand how this just doesn't work now? I get that we all get passionate sometimes but in my opinion you are taking pixel rewards on a computer screen way too seriously. It is nothing like if IRL they gave a degree to a guy who got all F grades. Nothing like it at all.
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    Last edited by Miste; 01-28-2017 at 12:55 AM.

  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Sorry to say, but unsync is just an extreme nerf.
    Unsync makes things even easier than the normal mood version sync
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    Last edited by bswpayton; 01-28-2017 at 12:58 AM.

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