Revelations from Patch 3.5

[karmiccat]

I'm just hopeful that SE remains faithful to the standards they've set for this spell, instead of twisting it in some way for PLOT REASONS.

[Mysteltain]

Perhaps I'm a bit late to the party or it was already posted in this thread, but...

...after running through Zurvan NM on an alt, I just put two and two together. When Unukalhai was sent to our world, he would have had to be dead just the like WoD, correct? Which would explain quite a bit of why he looks like a teenager even though the Void is certainly thousands of years old--he's not technically 'alive' in the traditional sense.

[Fenral]

I'm just hopeful that SE remains faithful to the standards they've set for this spell, instead of twisting it in some way for PLOT REASONS.

Yeah, because if one of my friends was in life-threatening danger, I know my first thought would be "I hope he dies for real."

Yes, yes, I get it, it's fiction, but I have to ask myself if that kind of thought process is really a good thing or not... Most people these days would rather shoot videos of an accident on their phone than use it to call for help.

[LineageRazor]

I'm just hopeful that SE remains faithful to the standards they've set for this spell, instead of twisting it in some way for PLOT REASONS.

I'm curious what "standards" you think exist for this spell? We've seen it cast exactly once before, and the circumstances involved were overwhelmingly different:

- Different caster, with less experience - star pupil or not, don't try to convince me that Papalymo is as skilled as Louisoix!
- Tupsimati is broken.
- No invocation of the Twelve.
- The Primal was not yet fully formed.

With all this wiggle room involved, SE has plenty of room to say, "Oh, yeah, Papalymo survived because..." Frankly, the only reason I think Papalymo is probably dead for realzies is because Papalymo himself seemed convinced he was going to die from casting it!

[karmiccat]

Okay, that's my fault. I didn't word what I wanted to say properly. "Standards" was the wrong word for me to use

-True, Papalymo may not be as skilled as Louisoix, but without an invocation of the Twelve, do you really think that the spell would take as much Aether as Louisoix's spell did? There's also the fact that Louisoix didn't die immediately after casting the (albeit, failed) sealing spell. Now, whether that's because he absorbed some of the scattered aether, like some speculate he did, or because he still had a little power left, the fact remains that he didn't die immediately. (Yes, I know about the Coils stuff, but that's not my focus right now)

I agree with a post I saw earlier, speculating that Louisoix was using the power of the Twelve to bolster the strength of an already existing spell, the base of which Papalymo used.

In short, I hope that SE doesn't mimic Louisoix's death with Papalymo, simply because of how different the circumstances were!

[Theodric]

Regarding a certain Scion:

I have nothing against Papalymo. I do, however, want him to end up having died due to his spell so that we're not stuck with yet another 'just kidding' moment where a major character is teased as dying only to actually turn out to be perfectly fine all along. They already did it with Nanamo at the end of 2.0. Do we really need to go through that again towards the end of 3.0?

[Dualblade]

Regarding a certain Scion:

I have nothing against Papalymo. I do, however, want him to end up having died due to his spell so that we're not stuck with yet another 'just kidding' moment where a major character is teased as dying only to actually turn out to be perfectly fine all along. They already did it with Nanamo at the end of 2.0. Do we really need to go through that again towards the end of 3.0?

I'd be totally on board with you, but

If it was ANY of the other Scions before Papalymo and Yda I'd actually believed they died. But it seems like a strange decision to bring him back into the story just one patch ago and then BOOM dead. Though I guess Moenbryda's doing basically that means its possible...still don't see him actually dieing though.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Considering the title you get after watching that scene, it'd be a bit silly to backtrack after the fact.

[Claymore65]

While the MSQ was a little short, it did give us some interesting things to chew on.

I'll admit I fully expected Papalymo to bite it this patch, although Ilberd being killed as well surprised me. One of my buddies had an interesting theory. We know the title for the Omega raid is "The Bend of Time". If Omega actually has time powers (which I'm skeptical of since Alexander just used that plot), Yda would easily be convinced to use it to save Papalymo. That way Papalymo doesn't fully die...although as a consequence, Ilberd would likely be brought back as well, allowing him to serve as the "extremist" rebel leader for Stormblood. While I'd personally prefer for Papalymo's sacrifice to stick, I think that could have some potential, especially if it carries some other great risk.

[myahele]

Does anyone know what the other translation of 3.5 title is in the other languages?

Here we got "Far edge of fate" but what about other regions?