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  1. #91
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    The Final Beast tribe chain turned out to be a lot more interesting than I thought it would be:

    The core story was pretty similar to the ARR one with even the same primary villain who, if he survived his airship being blown up in mid air by Kobald bombs, almost certainly survived this. He is really going to start hating Beast tribes and the WoL. The really interesting thing for me was all the other details.

    - Vanu Vanu dances, at least if my speculation is right, make a lot more sense. In the 52 or 54 DRK quest you travel to the Sea of Clouds to visit a Vanu healer as they are said to be able to diagnose illness from reading a persons Aether. This, combined with the dance makes me suspect the Vanu Vanu are Aether sensitive. The dance isn't merely a physical display but a display of Aetheric strength. By that logic it would make sense when other Vanu would potentially be made fearful by a dance. The fact that the dance in this questline purged several Vanu of what one can assume is some form of Aetheric corruption in a similar manner to how the dragonsong does later just emphasizes this. Of course, without definitive proof this is speculation still.

    - We get a hint at how the Allagans perhaps caught so many dragons. Clearly the Neural Links were necessary to make control permanent but those mind control guns would make capture a lot easier. If an older dragon can fall to a well placed shot its hardly surprising the Allagans caught so many samples to play with. Its not suprising Taimat would know a potential counter. If a child dragon could break the effect one of the First broods Dragonsong would have made it very difficult to use such a weapon in an open battlefield but still it explains a lot.

    - We now know that the Meracydian Dragons in Azys Lla are all nuts, probably from exposure to this Aetheric corruption/control technique. It probably helps explain why Taimat wasn't pissed at us for fighting her children. Shame we still cant convince her to move on. Even Deftarm felt unhappy just walking away.

    - This is also so the first time we see that the Garleans have had some success in their attempts to recover tech from Azys Lla. The question is if the tech the Garlean researcher was using here is known to the Garleans at large or if he had been persuing it in private to try and claim all the credit and glory when its revealed. We might after all end up running into dragons when fighting Garleans after all.

    Anyway, overall pretty enjoyable. Nice to see Deftarm has grown.
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  2. #92
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    Chewy2nd's Avatar
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    Dia Lancea
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    I just discovered this
    http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Yuyuhase_(1.x)

    I never knew Yuyuhase was in 1.0 o:

    Sounded like a bit of a prick back then too
    "Halt! Thou must needs swear a solemn oath before gods and man to seek naught but wealth and riches by way of yon aetheryte! Wilt thou!?"
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  3. #93
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    Kheda Lanbatal
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    So, here's my input on the end of the MSQ
    Something that bothers me is a difference that I saw between the 1.0 summoning of the seal, and the 3.5 summoning. In 1.0, the Warrior of Light had to go around Eorzea to offer prayers to the Twelve, beseeching their aid in containing Bahamut. Papalymo didn't get us to do that (We didn't have the time to do it anyways), so maybe he wasn't actually summoning the Twelve, or even their power.
    Maybe the appearance of the spell was simply mimicking Louisoix's spell, or something along those lines.
    And, I mean, the primal was just forming. If that's the case, tying everything together, a just forming primal will need a weaker sealing spell to contain it. That leads to less aether being used to cast it, so... Potential survival(?).

    I personally do hope that Papalymo managed to survive, since he is my little buddy. I know there's still that chance he might be gone, but until I see a body, or some other proof of death, I refuse to believe it. I mean, everyone else that's died, we've seen them die.
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  4. #94
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    the body disapear actualy, u won't see any
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerish View Post
    the body disapear actualy, u won't see any
    Spoiler'd just in case

    The last time the technique was used was under different circumstances and, this is important, DIDN'T WORK. Louisoix's body didn't disappear until after he became Phoenix, and only because Bahamut dragged him down with itself. Papalymo currently is ruled under "didn't find the body" when it comes to death, meaning until we A.) see it, or B.) the end of 4.0 he probably survived.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rocl View Post
    Nael/Eula van Darnus' body literally exploded into aether at the end of 1.23 and she still came back.

    Any sort of death is far from permanent.
    This one atleast was actually surprising to people to my understanding because we saw Darnus die completely. The circumstances for this one are unlikely to be used again...plus it could be said to actually mimic Sephiroth going into the lifestream only to be able to emerge from it years later.
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  6. #96
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    Nael/Eula van Darnus' body literally exploded into aether at the end of 1.23 and she still came back.

    Any sort of death is far from permanent.
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    When it comes to Louisoix's spell:

    There is indeed a distinct visual difference between it and Papalymo's, and that's the lack of the sigils associated with the Twelve in the latter. This, after all, is what Louisoix's looked like:


    Papalymo's has the sphere that forms around Bahamut initially, but it stops there. What I take this to mean is that Louisoix used his half-summoning of the Twelve to bolster a pre-existing sealing spell, which Papalymo used on its own. Of note, that spell isn't what took Louisoix's life, so Papalymo may not have sacrificed himself after all; then again, there are any number of ways the circumstances could be tweaked to require the life of the caster this time around.

    Kinda throws into question Ilberd's claim that his Primal - whatever it may be - is stronger than Bahamut, too.
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  9. #98
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    After seeing the events at baelsars wall It made me realize that if eorzea was to go head on against the empire they wouldn't have a chance. Their magitek weapons seem far too powerful for the average footsoldier, they have a near infinite supply of troops from 2 continents (both larger than aldernard) and lets not forget an airship fleet that none of eorzea's ships could compete against, so hearing that the empire might stop being an antagonistic group a mere 2 expansions away makes me wonder how exactly it's going to go about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VargasVermillion View Post
    After seeing the events at baelsars wall It made me realize that if eorzea was to go head on against the empire they wouldn't have a chance. Their magitek weapons seem far too powerful for the average footsoldier, they have a near infinite supply of troops from 2 continents (both larger than aldernard) and lets not forget an airship fleet that none of eorzea's ships could compete against, so hearing that the empire might stop being an antagonistic group a mere 2 expansions away makes me wonder how exactly it's going to go about.
    One thing to remember is that the WoL is a one-(wo)man army all their own, and thats before accounting that we have atleast 7 others comparable to us that would probably be traveling with us as well if this was single-player. Its always been known that the Eorzean City-States aren't truly a match for the Empire, they have been VERY lucky so far except for Ala Mhigo.

    If the Empire is truly delt with in either 5.0 or 6.0 it will be because the Empire becomes embroiled in a Civil War in which one side is helped by us. That or their attempts to capture Primals completely screws them over because multiple ones get unleased within the Capital.
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    Last edited by Dualblade; 01-24-2017 at 09:52 AM.

  11. #100
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    It does seem like the current Garlean regime is on shaky grounds, which is why I think Varis had to quickly make the Gration to re-establish Garlean power after the War of Succession against his own uncle. Speaking of which, the lore book says that his uncle and his supporters were against the Garlean expansion policy and it's need to eliminate all eikons. So there already exists a Garlean faction that might want to help the WoL ... unless they were all killed.
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