Please read about Physical Levels and Removing them.

[Suirieko]

I stoped playing around like 6 months after campaing came out.When jobs had actually defined roles and the game was actually hard(and im not refering to time sinks).I dont need to write an Essay to explain to Kilta the jobs she listed on there are not hybrids.

Uh, Some of us already did explained and proved that the jobs she listed ARE hybrid. Especially RDM. This isn't just a 'preference' that only one or two people played. HOw RDM are played, based on how I explained it to you are actually a popular idea among most of the RDMs. Any RDMs will tell you this.. You did not level RDM and did not experience endgame enough to know this, and FYI, LEvel 70 RDM is a world of different to level 75 (and beyond) RDM.

Just because you "can " do somethings that does not make you automatically good at it.I dont get this "all ffxi classes were hybrids " crap.The FFXI i played was about team work.If you think you can make a party full of hybrids then more power to you. Is not how i play.

People that play jobs as hybrid class tend to be DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent DD on Dancer. I was DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent tank on MNK in Abyssea, I was DAMN good at it. Hybrid isn't something that only a few have done. This is something that most endgame and hardcore players do. The fact that "this is not how you play FFXI" just shows how little of FFXI you actually really experienced.

Saying the current system is okay really makes no sense to me.I guess unless thins start to change i will go find a game were party play and performance matters and not a solo game.

Okay then. To each their own, Bare in mind that the current system, especially with 'hybrid' is even MUCH more versatile than ever, thanks to the level cap. However, has hybrid classes been around long before? The answer is a world shattering Yes.

edit ; i said "to me " dnc was useless.There was not 1 time were i said "i need a dnc" . that to me , is an useless job.change "hybrid" to Solo job and perhaps that will make some sense.

based on what you guys are saying is like you want FFXIV to be a solo game.For real?

Considering that you said you stopped playing FFXI 'six months after campaign came out' shows this. Back then, Dancers did not have their merit, they did not have their AF nor did they have their relic AF. So, back then, the potential of DNC was barely even discovered. This is the same with Scholar.

Also, when have I ever said I want FFXIV to be a solo game. I said it before and I'll say it again. These hybrid techniques were both popular for solo *AND* Partying. People WANT Dancers that do VERY well in damage. People WANT dancers that do very well in healing. The best part is? Dancers can easily change from 'tank mode' to 'DD mode' to 'healer mode' instantly.

Finally, Dragoon with mage subjob was also acceptable in partying because of how well they can heal and the fact that they can heal nearly indefinitely because of this.

Bottom line is: You're saying that Hybrid is for solo only, and I'm telling you Hybrid works very well in partying too.

[darkstarpoet1]

i don't get the solo play deal. yes, some of us play solo to grind. i know i do, but the majority of the time i am in party. just because you do not have a character based on how other people feel is right does not mean that i do not fit a role in a party correctly. just because while i am grinding my pug can heal does not mean i try to take a healers role in a party.

my role in a party is to deal damage and if one of my party members go down i resurrect them. that allows the mages to not have to stop healing and nuking and let more members die. i take this role also because of my high defense and hp so i can take a hit from a strong mob where a mage would get 1 shot from. like i said there is nothing wrong with however you set your character because at the end of the day your role in a party may change on a case by case basis. by having additional skills we are able to fill multiple roles in a party that would be otherwise lacking.

[Zkieve]

Uh, Some of us already did explained and proved that the jobs she listed ARE hybrid. Especially RDM. This isn't just a 'preference' that only one or two people played. HOw RDM are played, based on how I explained it to you are actually a popular idea among most of the RDMs. Any RDMs will tell you this.. You did not level RDM and did not experience endgame enough to know this, and FYI, LEvel 70 RDM is a world of different to level 75 (and beyond) RDM.

People that play jobs as hybrid class tend to be DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent DD on Dancer. I was DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent tank on MNK in Abyssea, I was DAMN good at it. Hybrid isn't something that only a few have done. This is something that most endgame and hardcore players do. The fact that "this is not how you play FFXI" just shows how little of FFXI you actually really experienced.

Okay then. To each their own, Bare in mind that the current system, especially with 'hybrid' is even MUCH more versatile than ever, thanks to the level cap. However, has hybrid classes been around long before? The answer is a world shattering Yes.

I would love to see a party were everyone heals , everyone tanks and everyone DDs.
That would be so much fun.

I played ffxi long enough to know what a rdm could do. Did i asked of a rdm every time to do everything in a party? hell no.I dont need to be 75 to understand a job mechanics.I always have played a tank and always will.I played with a rdm 75 most of the time, since i always play with her (my wyfe) .She performed her job and i performed mine.

Is how i play.Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can .
Your saying you are a damn good dd as dnc ? must be post abyssea.In my times dnc was below mediocre.Same goes with a mnk tank, right now is a joke .
Dont come preaching about what FFXI is now , to me ffxi died the day the cap was raised and everything went easy mode.

[Suirieko]

I would love to see a party were everyone heals , everyone tanks and everyone DDs.
That would be so much fun.

Dragoon Burn merit party. Lots of fun.

Setup was:

DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, BRD (For pulling since DRG can't pull)

subjobs were: either WHM, BLU, or RDM, since these were the popular subjobs for DRG/MAge healing.




Did I point out that EVERYONE int he party can and should be hybrid? No. Ideal setup is, one tank, few DD, and a healer and support. In most of the time. Quite a few jobs can do beyond what they were designed.

for example

PLD DD DD DD WHM RDM

or MNK DD DD DD RDM DNC

or NIN DD DD DD DRG RDM

will still follow the tank, few dd, healer, and support rules, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I played ffxi long enough to know what a rdm could do. Did i asked of a rdm every time to do everything in a party? hell no.I dont need to be 75 to understand a job mechanics.I always have played a tank and always will.I played with a rdm 75 most of the time, since i always play with her (my wyfe) .She performed her job and i performed mine.

Funny, you said that RDM was 70. Have you done any endgame? Sky? dynamis? Sea? Salvage? assault? Einherjar? VNM? ZNM? HNM? (these were ALL before Abyssea)

Is how i play.Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can .
Your saying you are a damn good dd as dnc ? must be post abyssea.In my times dnc was below mediocre.Same goes with a mnk tank, right now is a joke .
Dont come preaching about what FFXI is now , to me ffxi died the day the cap was raised and everything went easy mode.

If I can do it, then I sure as hell will do it.

Damge good DD as DNC? that has always been the case BEFORE ABYSSEA. Dancers received their merit long before Abyssea came, and it was these merits that made DNC MUCH more popular and much better as jobs. It was these merits that finally made DNC more popular.

MNK tank? Joke? Go play Salvage. There's a reason why MNK were very popular in Salvage.

I'm preaching how FFXI ALWAYS been, Not just abyssea. Abyssea and level cap made jobs even more versatile than ever, however, versatility has always been around since SE designed these jobs that way.

[Reika]

I've tanked plenty of NMs as my DRK inside and outside of Abyssea. Stun is useful, however most NMs as of late resist it flatout or has such a high resistance rate you're better off just sucking up the damage and recovering at times, especially if tanking.

DRK has the benefit of being the better tank than PLD even lacking full dmg mitigation -- You can also deal high damage, especially with Quietus which will let you hold hate better than a PLD can ever dream of holding -- Some NMs, say Smok, you'll do better with a PLD tank, but other NMs? My DRK tanked just about every NM including Iratham inside of Abyssea -- on the outside I'm always ending up tanking NMs even if I don't try it -- DRK isn't designed as a tank, but it takes a skilled player to play as one.

DNC is a great tank, curer and soloer, which is what a hybrid is, PLD? I don't think it's so much of a hybrid but it is a DD/Tank, since Sanguine Blade can be pretty powerful, even for holding hate which does include beating out Atonement.

Ahhh someone has seen the light... OR the darkness i should say ^^ I Loved tanking with my DRK and making PLD feel bad and week for getting one-shotted by spider special attacks ^^.

[Zkieve]

Dragoon Burn merit party. Lots of fun.

Setup was:

DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, BRD (For pulling since DRG can't pull)

subjobs were: either WHM, BLU, or RDM, since these were the popular subjobs for DRG/MAge healing.




Did I point out that EVERYONE int he party can and should be hybrid? No. Ideal setup is, one tank, few DD, and a healer and support. In most of the time. Quite a few jobs can do beyond what they were designed.

for example

PLD DD DD DD WHM RDM

or MNK DD DD DD RDM DNC

or NIN DD DD DD DRG RDM

will still follow the tank, few dd, healer, and support rules, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

BINGO.
I dont whant to do the DRGX6 party so why should i be forced to?.
Is the whole point i was geting at.
Also again, FFXI right now is a joke, so lets try and speak about FFXIV , shall we ?.

[Suirieko]

BINGO.
I dont whant to do the DRGX6 party so why should i be forced to?.
Is the whole point i was geting at.
Also again, FFXI right now is a joke, so lets try and speak about FFXIV , shall we ?.

Okay then. Don't. I'm not forcing you to, I'm just saying it's been done and people enjoy doing it.

But please don't try to tell me this: "Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can ." Because I'm telling you it's wrong. Again, jobs were designed that way. Also, be sure to read my editted posts.

[Reika]

Okay i will try , even if i think im loosing my time when you say dnc was a tank and that those jobs were hybrids.

Pld was definetly NOT an hybrid.Paladin is a tank, Damage mitigation, enmity tools and some healing(for enmity mainly) 75 pld , maxed gear almost
Rdm is not an hybrid, rdm is a Debuffer, with some elemental/healing skills.was 70 rdm
Blu and dnc perhaps could be called hybrids ,but in my eyes Blu --> damage dealer based on dmg type,stun lock beast.
Dnc i cant comment on, to me dancer was always pretty useless.Never touched this 2jobs(dnc and blu)

Nin is a DMG dealer based on SPEED, later on to be played as tank becouse of shadows, (never intended to be played this way.75 maxed gear.

Drk is a damage dealer and a stunner.NOTHIN MORE.75 maxed gear with a kraken club.

Care to show me were exactly says this jobs are hybrids ?

Im fine with some hybrids, but everything hybrids ? that is just plain boring.Why would i play a game were everything and everyone are the same ?

Hate to tell you, but all the advance classes except Ranger, Ninja, and Samurai were Hybrids. PLD is a WAR/WHM, DRK is a WAR/BLM, RDM is a WAR/WHM/BLM, so on and so forth. They may have all had their own special abilities no single class had, like PLD had Flash, RDM had Elemental sword attacks, Etc. That does not mean they were not hybrids. They just took knowledge from both worlds and combined them to form new special skills.

[Zkieve]

Okay then. Don't. I'm not forcing you to, I'm just saying it's been done and people enjoy doing it.

But please don't try to tell me this: "Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can ." Because I'm telling you it's wrong. Again, jobs were designed that way. Also, be sure to read my editted posts.

You arent, the current system does.
Stat cap force you to play as hybrid.
Anyways im not gonna keep arguing about thins like FFXI(is changed to much since i quite) and what hybrids are.

My whole point was in ffxiv , the stat system is ment to by used to put points balanced in all stats to make a "balanced character".I dont want a balanced character.I want a character with its role defined.I am forced to do so because the current limitation.

Im not even gonna bother to answer your questions about what i did and what not in ffxi.I had monk at 75 and it was what i used to do salvage as.But i never considered mnk an hybrid, i guess my definition of hybrid is not the same .Anyways , carry on.

[darkstarpoet1]

Okay then. Don't. I'm not forcing you to, I'm just saying it's been done and people enjoy doing it.

But please don't try to tell me this: "Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can ." Because I'm telling you it's wrong. Again, jobs were designed that way. Also, be sure to read my editted posts.

that's exactly what i keep saying. if someone don't want to level anything besides gla for example they will still be needed for parties. if a gla has this or that on top of it all the better that they can take the slack from another with that extra, but it is not required to do so. just because my pug has an extra ability to help the overall group does not mean another pug without it would be any less needed.