PVP and BLM. The nerf and difficulty of our role.

[TiaHariberux3]

Once someone in here can provide a video of them doing super well in pvp (without a static doing it all for you) then I am still inclined to believe blm needs a major buff in pvp to content with the other classes in terms of usefulness.

BLms were fine before all the nerfs and now they dont hold a candle to others.

You have plenty of possibilities to cast your skills in frontlines. Even in a premade you still have to play your class you wont have magically 300-400k dmg with simple scathe etc. BLM can pressure pretty hard even tanks.

[Cleanse]

BLM in 4v4 with sleep is still grossly overpowered. You can sleep a healer then have the team burst on another to win, even with purify, you can just sleep them again.

Petrify is too long of a recast if you ask me, if you want your AoE sleeping, give me a 5 second recast Petrify. I do not even like doing 4 v 4 because it is so unbalanced. (not blm limited though) 8 v 8 gets around of stun locking, sleep locking one healer leaving the dps burst kill someone

How about we start addressing PLD, MCH, MNK, and NIN with nerfs, SCH with buffs, then we can talk about BLM?

NINs do not need nerfs. PLD, MCH and MNK are the trinity though.

[KusoWat]

BLM in 4v4 with sleep is still grossly overpowered. You can sleep a healer then have the team burst on another to win, even with purify, you can just sleep them again.

Petrify is too long of a recast if you ask me, if you want your AoE sleeping, give me a 5 second recast Petrify. I do not even like doing 4 v 4 because it is so unbalanced. (not blm limited though) 8 v 8 gets around of stun locking, sleep locking one healer leaving the dps burst kill someone

How about we start addressing PLD, MCH, MNK, and NIN with nerfs, SCH with buffs, then we can talk about BLM?

Are you even playing the same game?

[Evangela]

Blms are NOT dps in PVP, they are CC classes. That is where they shined and it was never their easily LoS/interrupted Dps that was the main focus on this class.

Black Mages are (or should be) a DD, not a CC class.

Summoners were (should still be) a CC class. But SE nerfed them so hard and took away most of their CC debuffs.

[Ama_Hamada]

NINs do not need nerfs. PLD, MCH and MNK are the trinity though.

Oh okay, I thought there was something about NIN, seeing a NIN beat a MCH but maybe the MCH did not have the burst ready =/

[Evangela]

They need to nerf Fire III and Fire IV too. They nerfed SMN's Painflare and Deathflare before, it would be fair to nerf BLM too.

[Slib]

They also need to bring back full damage with swiftcast imo. BLM was never the same after they removed it, as it was a key part of the burst rotation.

That and BLM and SMN get penalised in feast if the healer runs out of MP. Mana regen is just too good if the teams are evenly matched.

Also the fact that they do not have Recuperate really spreads them far apart from being as efficient as mch/brd. If your healers CC'd or dies. Forget about it, unless you land a sleep on the enemies without being controlled too.

[Slib]

You have plenty of possibilities to cast your skills in frontlines. Even in a premade you still have to play your class you wont have magically 300-400k dmg with simple scathe etc. BLM can pressure pretty hard even tanks.

I feel like some frontlines I'm overpowered as black mage. Then there are ones where the enemy will move in and run away, breaking casts. Then moving in more to cast would just mean my death. Sometimes frontlines can really suck as blm 8^(

[Tarta]

Your BLM powers depend on your ability to hide/be ignored.
If you are ignored, you can cast 3 spells in 10 seconds - That's like...7500 dmg, plus a swiftcast 4th if you got it which should kill something without vit acc.
However...that's 10 seconds of having some person not moving and eating it. Also they must not press their CD. Also they must not be healed. That's a very small opportunity window.

Now if you are not ignored...just run away until they get distracted and come back for a whammy swiftcast thunder 1. Then Thunder 1 their pets/turrets/friends. Then TC whatever runs away to instakill something with 10% or less HP. That way you can feel like you're still worth it. That's what I do. I hand out a 6 second nap here. A 6 second nap there. Fish for easy kills and feel better about this really really bad PVP job.
Once my anima is completed I can switch back to a real job that feels rewarding and less broken.

[Maddonious]

You have plenty of possibilities to cast your skills in frontlines. Even in a premade you still have to play your class you wont have magically 300-400k dmg with simple scathe etc. BLM can pressure pretty hard even tanks.

First off spamming scathe and a few thunders does not count as dps when a simple regen on someone is enough to counter the thunder dot. We are at the mercy of heavy rng, even more so then mch, to get our thuder procs and even then its pointless unless they have no healers.

Second with how broken some classes are, ast the most still, its impossible for blms to make a dent in dps due to how much time we give them to cure up their partners before we are able to get a 2nd/3rd attack off unless the stars aline and we have all procs ready to go instantly.

Its not simply about doing more damage, its more about being able to kill someone in a reasonable amount of time before they run away. If we are as bursty as some make us out to be this shouldnt be an issue but it clearly is to anyone who actually plays BLMs.