PVP and BLM. The nerf and difficulty of our role.

[Chaelyn]

BLM in Feast v Frontlines plays very differently. If you are interested I wrote a guide on FL BLM on PvPaissa. For Feast it's not really recommended to play if it is your first time in Feast or you are playing ranked Soloq as it is one of the harder classes to adapt to in the game mode.

[KusoWat]

They also need to bring back full damage with swiftcast imo. BLM was never the same after they removed it, as it was a key part of the burst rotation.

That and BLM and SMN get penalised in feast if the healer runs out of MP. Mana regen is just too good if the teams are evenly matched.

That would be ludicrous. Fire 4 + swift cast fire 4 would do 80% of someone's hp even without phantom dart or raging strikes

[Slib]

That would be ludicrous. Fire 4 + swift cast fire 4 would do 80% of someone's hp even without phantom dart or raging strikes

Because doing Ricochet and Between the Eyes back to back doing 100% of someones health is less ludicrous.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Because doing Ricochet and Between the Eyes back to back doing 100% of someones health is less ludicrous.

This is the actual issue. Classes need to be nerfed before we start thinking about buffing classes. Monk and MCH are leagues above their counterparts. Once they nerf some of the more disgusting classes, we can talk about buffing weak ones. Everything is weak right now if you compare them to monk or mch.

[Maddonious]

Because doing Ricochet and Between the Eyes back to back doing 100% of someones health is less ludicrous.

Rememeber, BLms were op enough to have our CD that we needed to use for everything in emergencies with a 1min cd nerfed while certain classes can burst you in 2 secs flat on the go.

[Maddonious]

BLM in Feast v Frontlines plays very differently. If you are interested I wrote a guide on FL BLM on PvPaissa. For Feast it's not really recommended to play if it is your first time in Feast or you are playing ranked Soloq as it is one of the harder classes to adapt to in the game mode.

The fact is over several nerfs to certain spells and cc usage we have been wittled down from our place as CC players to dps that have it incredibly hard, albiet powerful attacks. I see a few players keep saying "well maybe get better" but you have to remember im talking about the class as in individual, what you are talking about is having your static/dedicated pvp team carry you. I do not want this. I want to be able to stand on my own better then we currently are in some situations where we just feel helpless unless we pop all our CDs just to maybe kill someone before they LoS us.

[Maddonious]

But I completely disagree with you that blm is a cc job and not a dps job. Good blm's will do good on-point cc, and o really good damage. Up to you to do both effectively.

BLm used to be more CC then DPS. At our current state we can still CC to a degree but it makes our time casting = time binded/slept not worth it as much as it used to with hardcore nefred nightwing and purify taking away our longer sleep cd easily. This is why blm in 4v4 cant win as much as other dps classes once players know how to shut you down, our dps is gimped with mobility and LoS.

[TiramisuMacaron]

This is why blm in 4v4 cant win as much as other dps classes.

*checks mana datacenter*
Yep, still a bunch of blms in the top 10.

Yes monk, mch, and pld played by good players (this is very important, you can't just be bad and expect to crush everyone) can shut down everything, but that's because they are broken. Not because other classes are too weak.

BLM in 4v4 is still about CC, and you can do way more than CC to a degree. The meta on Mana with a blm in the party is to sleep people until Culling time and then two shot someone with Fire IV. The way blm play is "thunder, thunder, thunder, sleep ranged 8s, blizzard melee, thunder proc, sleep ranged 4s, thunder proc, sleep ranged 2s, blizzard ranged, sleep melee 8s, blizzard tank, thunder proc, sleep melee 4s, sleep melee 2s, blizzard melee, sleep tank 8s, thunder proc, bind melee, sleep tank 4s, sleep tank 2s, bind tank, sleep healer 8s............. etc........ Culling time... burst, someones dead". This just doesn't have a place in the NA/EU meta right now, and since we have never adopted the strategy, would be impossible with the new chat restriction.

It is pretty dull, and it is extremely annoying to play against. If played correctly a blm with a good healer can make it so the other team never gets kills because they can always have a member of the other team slept, binded, or slowed. While CCing, you also get to exert free pressure with thunder procs. The box control you have as blm is also crazy because you can make the melee sleep during boxes every time.

tl;dr remove monk, mach, and pld from the game.

[Maddonious]

Still want to bring up this issue. Blm in frontlines is so useless in terms of damage unless its a thunder proc but good luck getting close enough to even cast a spell at the enemy team before they back up out of range as soon as you got close. We need more mobility in pvp since our CC lockdowns have become unusable.

Freeze is our only one left but it takes so long to cast its a joke cause no ones gonna sit in the circle long enough for it to go off unless you swift it which is a waste. We need skill changes to better reflect our role in pvp. No matter how many people say "oh just get better" or " well they have strategies" it is all in a theoretical bubble and doesnt work in the world world like on paper. Once someone in here can provide a video of them doing super well in pvp (without a static doing it all for you) then I am still inclined to believe blm needs a major buff in pvp to content with the other classes in terms of usefulness.

BLms were fine before all the nerfs and now they dont hold a candle to others.

[Ama_Hamada]

BLM in 4v4 with sleep is still grossly overpowered. You can sleep a healer then have the team burst on another to win, even with purify, you can just sleep them again.

Petrify is too long of a recast if you ask me, if you want your AoE sleeping, give me a 5 second recast Petrify. I do not even like doing 4 v 4 because it is so unbalanced. (not blm limited though) 8 v 8 gets around of stun locking, sleep locking one healer leaving the dps burst kill someone

How about we start addressing PLD, MCH, MNK, and NIN with nerfs, SCH with buffs, then we can talk about BLM?