Please read about Physical Levels and Removing them.

[Suirieko]

How long have you even played FFXI, and if so, how long did you even play FFXI because some of your comments just makes me facepalm.

Okay i will try , even if i think im loosing my time when you say dnc was a tank and that those jobs were hybrids.

i cant comment on to me dancer was always pretty useless.Never touched this 2jobs

First of all, we have Fan Dance, that gives us really strong defense boost, starting with 90% defense, and gradually go down to 20%. This effect lasts for five minutes, and DNC can easily have this indefinite since the recast is at LEAST 5 minutes (Merit ability allows them to reduce the recast to 2:30 minute, if memory serves.

Then let's not forget all the curing waltz spells. Let's not even forget that any good DNC could easily give themselves nearly endless TP through Reverse Flourish, Presto, and No Foot Rise.

Let's look at the fact the popular subjob for DNC are SAM and NIN. DNC/SAM makes them really good damage dealer class, while DNC/NIN makes them quite a decent tank.

And speaking of DD, we have Saber Dance, which gives allows Dancers to attack multiple times, along with building flourish that allows dancer to boost their WS attack. Wild Flourish allows dancer to self skillchain. Hell ANY good Dancer should be able to self-skillchain Darkness. I've personally been able to self-skillchain three times, in one round, further boosting our skillchain damage.

On TOP of that, we also have Haste Samba, which does NOT count toward the haste cap, giving any every DD in the same party with DNC 5% ~ 10% haste boost. This does not effect the TP gain as well, making this even more useful.

Also, before you say "lol welcome to post-abyssea", a lot of these abilities Dancers had access to prior to Abyssea, and able to use at level 75. Only exception are Presto, and the fact that SE gave native dual wield post Abyssea.

So what was that about Dancer being useless?

Rdm is not an hybrid, rdm is a Debuffer, with some elemental/healing skills.was 70 rdm

Redmage have been considered as the solo god of FFXI even now, and is a very popular job as a mage. Red MAge have been used as healers, tanks, some have even gone as far as melee and nukers. The fact that you leveled RDM only to 70 SHOWS how little experience you have with Red Mage. While I have never personally leveled RDM for endgame job, I can tell you that many, many Red Mages will tell you that RDM are much, much more than just a "debuffer"

Nin is a DMG dealer based on SPEED, later on to be played as tank becouse of shadows, (never intended to be played this way.75 maxed gear.

Partially correct. Ninja has been played as a Tank job. (although more people preferred Paladins), long before they even get to level 75. Also, Ninja is another great solo job, thanks to Dancer subjob, and Ninja is now comparable to Dancer as a damage dealer based on speed itself, now that dancer have their native dual wield.

Drk is a damage dealer and a stunner.NOTHIN MORE.75 maxed gear with a kraken club.

Read Jennestia's post on DRK.

Now on to Blue Mage:

Blue Mage has been preferred as a Damage dealer since they can easily do very extreme spike damage, especially with spells like Death Scissors and the new Favourite, Quadratic Continuum. Also, I've seen Blue mage made excellent Tanks, that could even replace paladins, with the right skills and build and magics. They are also another very strong solo class as well. BLU can also be used as main healing.

Now to other jobs that can be considered as Hybrid:

Puppetmaster: Based on subjobs and puppet. Popular for Mage, Melee, and healing. I've personally seen puppetmaster completely replacing white mage as healer. I was hesitant about it at first, but later on, I was amazed at how well they can keep up with healing.

Dragoon: Another popular hybrid, based on their wyvern and subjob. Dragoons can be either Damage dealers, or even healers! I personally played DD as damage dealer myself.

Their wyverns uses breath attacks based on the subjob. if the subjob is a DD class, they will use exclusively elemental breaths. If the subjob is a mage class. (WHM, BLU, RDM, BLM, and SCH mainly), they will use exclusively healing breath. Finally, if the subjob uses magic but does not use MP (Bard and Ninja mainly) the wyverns can use both,but this is not very efficient.

Now, on to the mage subjob. Wyverns uses elemental breath based on the player's current HP. With the right gear, Wyverns will heal players in parties, once their HP fell below 50%, and any good DRG can heal u p to 500~600 or even more HP, and what triggers it? using any spells. Even the weakest spell, Dia, will trigger wyvern to heal. Even better, DRG with refresh MP, allows them to heal indefinitely as long as their wyverns are alive and as long as they have MP. This is why Ares Body (along with Twilight Mail) is very popular for DRG/Mage classes.

DRG can also be a very strong DD class, especially with /SAM, and/or their new jumps, Spirit and Soul jumps. These jumps allow DRG to gain TP in multiple of their current TP gain, if their Wyvern is out. Spirit Jump gives DRG 2 times the TP they gain in regular attack while soul jump gives 3 times the TP.

For example, If the DRG have enough Store TP to get 20% TP per hit. (or 5 hit TP set) using both the said jumps with Wyvern out allows them to easily gain 100%+ TP. On top of the TP bonuses DRGs get from both jumps, both jumps have 100% critical hit rate, thus always dealing large damage, so long as their wyverns are out.

Edit

Im not gonna keep discussing this with you. Your achievements at lv 90 in ffxi means nothing to me . You tanking as lv 30 dnc means nothing to me .Im a party player , not a soloer , hybrids are to solo.

Again. Wrong.

Hybrid are applies to partying as well. They are not just for soloing.

also, other jobs that can be considered as hybrid:

Monk (Tanking and Meleeing)
Corsair (Debuffer, support, and meleeing, and Jennestia Tanking a KB in Einherjar >.>)
Scholar (Obvious. Healing and Nuking)

And possibly most other jobs.

[Zkieve]

blha blha blha drg healers , blha blha rdm best soloer (doh)

I stoped playing around like 6 months after campaing came out.When jobs had actually defined roles and the game was actually hard(and im not refering to time sinks).I dont need to write an Essay to explain to Kilta the jobs she listed on there are not hybrids.
Just because you "can " do somethings that does not make you automatically good at it.I dont get this "all ffxi classes were hybrids " crap.The FFXI i played was about team work.If you think you can make a party full of hybrids then more power to you. Is not how i play.

Saying the current system is okay really makes no sense to me.I guess unless thins start to change i will go find a game were party play and performance matters and not a solo game.
because that is what FFXIV is now.

edit ; i said "to me " dnc was useless.There was not 1 time were i said "i need a dnc" . that to me , is an useless job.change "hybrid" to Solo job and perhaps that will make some sense.

based on what you guys are saying is like you want FFXIV to be a solo game.For real?

[Suirieko]

I stoped playing around like 6 months after campaing came out.When jobs had actually defined roles and the game was actually hard(and im not refering to time sinks).I dont need to write an Essay to explain to Kilta the jobs she listed on there are not hybrids.

Uh, Some of us already did explained and proved that the jobs she listed ARE hybrid. Especially RDM. This isn't just a 'preference' that only one or two people played. HOw RDM are played, based on how I explained it to you are actually a popular idea among most of the RDMs. Any RDMs will tell you this.. You did not level RDM and did not experience endgame enough to know this, and FYI, LEvel 70 RDM is a world of different to level 75 (and beyond) RDM.

Just because you "can " do somethings that does not make you automatically good at it.I dont get this "all ffxi classes were hybrids " crap.The FFXI i played was about team work.If you think you can make a party full of hybrids then more power to you. Is not how i play.

People that play jobs as hybrid class tend to be DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent DD on Dancer. I was DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent tank on MNK in Abyssea, I was DAMN good at it. Hybrid isn't something that only a few have done. This is something that most endgame and hardcore players do. The fact that "this is not how you play FFXI" just shows how little of FFXI you actually really experienced.

Saying the current system is okay really makes no sense to me.I guess unless thins start to change i will go find a game were party play and performance matters and not a solo game.

Okay then. To each their own, Bare in mind that the current system, especially with 'hybrid' is even MUCH more versatile than ever, thanks to the level cap. However, has hybrid classes been around long before? The answer is a world shattering Yes.

edit ; i said "to me " dnc was useless.There was not 1 time were i said "i need a dnc" . that to me , is an useless job.change "hybrid" to Solo job and perhaps that will make some sense.

based on what you guys are saying is like you want FFXIV to be a solo game.For real?

Considering that you said you stopped playing FFXI 'six months after campaign came out' shows this. Back then, Dancers did not have their merit, they did not have their AF nor did they have their relic AF. So, back then, the potential of DNC was barely even discovered. This is the same with Scholar.

Also, when have I ever said I want FFXIV to be a solo game. I said it before and I'll say it again. These hybrid techniques were both popular for solo *AND* Partying. People WANT Dancers that do VERY well in damage. People WANT dancers that do very well in healing. The best part is? Dancers can easily change from 'tank mode' to 'DD mode' to 'healer mode' instantly.

Finally, Dragoon with mage subjob was also acceptable in partying because of how well they can heal and the fact that they can heal nearly indefinitely because of this.

Bottom line is: You're saying that Hybrid is for solo only, and I'm telling you Hybrid works very well in partying too.

[Zkieve]

Uh, Some of us already did explained and proved that the jobs she listed ARE hybrid. Especially RDM. This isn't just a 'preference' that only one or two people played. HOw RDM are played, based on how I explained it to you are actually a popular idea among most of the RDMs. Any RDMs will tell you this.. You did not level RDM and did not experience endgame enough to know this, and FYI, LEvel 70 RDM is a world of different to level 75 (and beyond) RDM.

People that play jobs as hybrid class tend to be DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent DD on Dancer. I was DAMN good at it. I wasn't just a decent tank on MNK in Abyssea, I was DAMN good at it. Hybrid isn't something that only a few have done. This is something that most endgame and hardcore players do. The fact that "this is not how you play FFXI" just shows how little of FFXI you actually really experienced.

Okay then. To each their own, Bare in mind that the current system, especially with 'hybrid' is even MUCH more versatile than ever, thanks to the level cap. However, has hybrid classes been around long before? The answer is a world shattering Yes.

I would love to see a party were everyone heals , everyone tanks and everyone DDs.
That would be so much fun.

I played ffxi long enough to know what a rdm could do. Did i asked of a rdm every time to do everything in a party? hell no.I dont need to be 75 to understand a job mechanics.I always have played a tank and always will.I played with a rdm 75 most of the time, since i always play with her (my wyfe) .She performed her job and i performed mine.

Is how i play.Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can .
Your saying you are a damn good dd as dnc ? must be post abyssea.In my times dnc was below mediocre.Same goes with a mnk tank, right now is a joke .
Dont come preaching about what FFXI is now , to me ffxi died the day the cap was raised and everything went easy mode.

[Suirieko]

I would love to see a party were everyone heals , everyone tanks and everyone DDs.
That would be so much fun.

Dragoon Burn merit party. Lots of fun.

Setup was:

DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, BRD (For pulling since DRG can't pull)

subjobs were: either WHM, BLU, or RDM, since these were the popular subjobs for DRG/MAge healing.




Did I point out that EVERYONE int he party can and should be hybrid? No. Ideal setup is, one tank, few DD, and a healer and support. In most of the time. Quite a few jobs can do beyond what they were designed.

for example

PLD DD DD DD WHM RDM

or MNK DD DD DD RDM DNC

or NIN DD DD DD DRG RDM

will still follow the tank, few dd, healer, and support rules, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I played ffxi long enough to know what a rdm could do. Did i asked of a rdm every time to do everything in a party? hell no.I dont need to be 75 to understand a job mechanics.I always have played a tank and always will.I played with a rdm 75 most of the time, since i always play with her (my wyfe) .She performed her job and i performed mine.

Funny, you said that RDM was 70. Have you done any endgame? Sky? dynamis? Sea? Salvage? assault? Einherjar? VNM? ZNM? HNM? (these were ALL before Abyssea)

Is how i play.Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can .
Your saying you are a damn good dd as dnc ? must be post abyssea.In my times dnc was below mediocre.Same goes with a mnk tank, right now is a joke .
Dont come preaching about what FFXI is now , to me ffxi died the day the cap was raised and everything went easy mode.

If I can do it, then I sure as hell will do it.

Damge good DD as DNC? that has always been the case BEFORE ABYSSEA. Dancers received their merit long before Abyssea came, and it was these merits that made DNC MUCH more popular and much better as jobs. It was these merits that finally made DNC more popular.

MNK tank? Joke? Go play Salvage. There's a reason why MNK were very popular in Salvage.

I'm preaching how FFXI ALWAYS been, Not just abyssea. Abyssea and level cap made jobs even more versatile than ever, however, versatility has always been around since SE designed these jobs that way.

[Zkieve]

Dragoon Burn merit party. Lots of fun.

Setup was:

DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, DRG, BRD (For pulling since DRG can't pull)

subjobs were: either WHM, BLU, or RDM, since these were the popular subjobs for DRG/MAge healing.




Did I point out that EVERYONE int he party can and should be hybrid? No. Ideal setup is, one tank, few DD, and a healer and support. In most of the time. Quite a few jobs can do beyond what they were designed.

for example

PLD DD DD DD WHM RDM

or MNK DD DD DD RDM DNC

or NIN DD DD DD DRG RDM

will still follow the tank, few dd, healer, and support rules, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

BINGO.
I dont whant to do the DRGX6 party so why should i be forced to?.
Is the whole point i was geting at.
Also again, FFXI right now is a joke, so lets try and speak about FFXIV , shall we ?.

[Suirieko]

BINGO.
I dont whant to do the DRGX6 party so why should i be forced to?.
Is the whole point i was geting at.
Also again, FFXI right now is a joke, so lets try and speak about FFXIV , shall we ?.

Okay then. Don't. I'm not forcing you to, I'm just saying it's been done and people enjoy doing it.

But please don't try to tell me this: "Just because you "can" do somethings , it doesnt mean you can ." Because I'm telling you it's wrong. Again, jobs were designed that way. Also, be sure to read my editted posts.