DEVS: May we PLEASE have an answer regarding the Feast and the Quick Chat feature?

[TiaHariberux3]

I did, but your post is just an assumption so nothing has been made "clear" as you say. Nobody representing SE has had any comments on this system even though it has been unanimously regarded as negative throughout the entire pvp community, and even the greater portion of the non-pvp community.

Even if its just assumption it doesnt change the fact that you cant say we got ignored for months since the feature got implemented just this week. Imagine ppl would complain about the new feast map before its even released and then call it being "ignored" doesnt make sense right? I doubt that devs care about feedback which was made before the feature got implemented.


Can't take feedback about a system serious when people didnt even tried it so OBVIOUSLY they didnt replied for months.

[Zojha]

Have you seen the other thread? It's been ignored for a long time.

More precisely: It has no dev replies. Whether they have read it or not is up in the air and whether they are simply oblivious to it or are purposely ignoring it is also up in the air.

I personally don't think the reason for this change really needs to be spelled out, because it's pretty much just the chat ban commonly used on toxic players applied on a global scale. There's no sweet-talking it: It's a blanket measure to cut GM effort and should be viewed as such. Further, it does not solve the underlying issue, as in: It does not remove the reason people lash out at others in the first place. But that issue cannot be reasonably solved, all solutions are unreasonable to one party or another. I personally still would have just removed/disabled the troublesome mode instead and I know how furious people can get at the very thought, because it is entirely unreasonable to them. And I don't think square is too fond of the idea of asking for a certificate of an anger management course as prerequisite for participating in the Feast.

On that note, what surprises me is that they also put it into the Fold and 8vs8, because unlike in ranked, where you could be lucky to go 5 matches without someone calling someone an "idiot", "fucktard", "moron" or other niceties, I didn't personally witness any noteworthy amount of insults there and in particular, none directed at individuals. Either it's a technical limitation on the implementation, or I simply got lucky in my sample size; either way I didn't expect it.

That said, a big issue with the system as it is is that a lot of crucial things are missing. Not a single line addresses teamcomp in 8vs8. The only way to ask for purify is to spam "Purify not ready!" when CC'd and hope people get the hint. Support abilities or CC coordination (See shoulder tackle vs shield bash) are entirely missing. "Stopping Healer" is incredibly vague. The only commands for group positioning are:"Everyone attack!" and "Fall Back!", with the prior implying that so far, you haven't been attacking for some odd reason. The current iteration is highly flawed and that's something that should definitely be acknowledged and that people have been worried about in advance - rightfully so. I think the purify example was even explicitly mentioned.

Overall, it's quite iffy.

[Serilda]

How about they solve it by keeping the current system BUT you can also type in whatever you like unless two non-premade members right-click you and report you as verbally abusive. If that happens you can only talk in the preset speech actions for the match, or the next hour or something. It can obviously be exploited, but at least those of us in groups without jerks can just get on with it and talk and leave the drama to others. If people are reporting insane numbers of people or getting reported in 99% of the matches they join, they can then be investigated if/when the team ever decides to clean up bad players. Condemning everyone to be unable to perform basic communication is just annoying. At least allow auto-translate (though that in itself is depressingly limited).

The worst thing for me is that all JP games end with a customary farewell and when the window pops up with the scores I really struggle to hit R1+Down or whatever my bar for 'stupid text commands' was while it's loading, choose the command before people leave, give out a commendation (if applicable) and process the results. It's just a mess with windows overlaid on top of windows overlaid on top of compromises for a problem that I've never even experienced because nobody has ever been verbally abusive in any match I have ever played.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Can't take feedback about a system serious when people didnt even tried it so OBVIOUSLY they didnt replied for months.

Generally, people know a bad idea when they see one, and from the moment it was mentioned, we began giving our feedback on it. Namely, making it clear we didn't like and didn't want the change. We also noted that it would also stop players from sharing advice or tips. We ALSO noted that the system would likely not cover many of the situations we often run into. We ALSO suggested what many are still suggesting; that is, implementing this system as a form of punishment for people who abuse the chat.

But we never got anything back, and the change was made anyways. So yes, they never replied, and we feel pretty ignored. Especially when other player concerns have been answered much more quickly.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Ye I did and the thread was made when it got announced they obviously didnt replied back then cause they wanted to see the feature and collect data/feedback how it is when ppl actually have to play with it. They made it clear pretty early that they want to release the feature first before considering other solutions. Did you even read my post?

Minion thread was reply'd to and fixed 7 days after it got announced. People didn't get the minions yet, people didn't see the minions yet. Outrage before a feature comes out has been enough in the past and should be enough.

[Stormfur]

I'd like to see a response too. There really are a handful of assholes in PVP and cutting them off from being abusive jerks would do a lot for the system as a whole. We should be able to do to them the same effect as gold sellers. Right click > Report - get more than 2 of those in a given time, the asshole gets muted. Easy.

[loreleidiangelo]

I'd like to see a response too. There really are a handful of assholes in PVP and cutting them off from being abusive jerks would do a lot for the system as a whole. We should be able to do to them the same effect as gold sellers. Right click > Report - get more than 2 of those in a given time, the asshole gets muted. Easy.

I'd also support a more proactive system, simply because it removes the offending individuals from the PVP mode (through silences or bans) while not impacting regular, helpful, normal players. I hate solutions where every potential user is treated as an abuser.

[TiaHariberux3]

Minion thread was reply'd to and fixed 7 days after it got announced. People didn't get the minions yet, people didn't see the minions yet. Outrage before a feature comes out has been enough in the past and should be enough.

There is a difference between a change in gameplay and a reward structure of smth though but gj

[Theodric]

It really should have simply been made optional. That way people who wish to make use of it can do so whilst those who don't can turn it off.

[Chronons]

I doubt that devs care about feedback which was made before the feature got implemented. Can't take feedback about a system serious when people didnt even tried it so OBVIOUSLY they didnt replied for months.

Except, you could test the feature before they implemented it. If you didn't like what the chat said you have always been able to hide the chat window. Not only that, but anyone who has played PVP with any regularity were astutely aware of what playing with a team that didn't communicate felt like. To say that feedback pre-implementation is of no value is disingenuous I think.