SCH pet glamors?

[Kosmos992k]

Not talking about the class "power" as a DPS, talking about the class in itself, the way it was designed and how they screwed the summoning part in summoner.

::rolls eyes:: too

You can't call "Summoner" a class that gives you only 3 different pet to use and focuses on DoT, especially considering the background of SUM in FF history (juste take Yuna from FF10 for instance, 10 different Eons, each one with it's "personality").
That's not a SUM, that's, at best, a "kawaï necro" because SE does not want us to play with dead things while using diseases as our main way to DPS^^"

Sounds more like you are upset that you can't have the full size Titan at your right hand or Garuda at your left. Honestly, if SMN was implemented the way you appear to wish, the balance of jobs would be destroyed, not because of the job's power, but because of the ridiculous amount of effort that would be poured into that one job.

Imagine Summoner had come out in 3.0 instead of 2.0. Instead of Machinist we got Summoner, it's identical to Machinist except the turrets look like Ifrit and Garuda and the job quests go on about the mighty power of your fearsome "primals".

It would be a good class, sought after for raids, but it would be a pretty rubbish version of Summoner. Not everything is about the numbers.

Except allowing players to summon real primals would break the lore and logic of the setting, it would also make SMN the only job to play since who would want to play anything else if there is a job that let's you bring forth a real primal at your command? I honestly think that sticking to that kind of expectation for Summoner is really unrealistic, and complaining about it now to defend a lopsided pet glamour, just comes over poorly - IMHO.

[Celef]

Sounds more like you are upset that you can't have the full size Titan at your right hand or Garuda at your left. Honestly, if SMN was implemented the way you appear to wish, the balance of jobs would be destroyed, not because of the job's power, but because of the ridiculous amount of effort that would be poured into that one job.

Not really the big ones, but at least more than just 3 to choose from if we keep that system, procs on my spells adding little ones for example, basically a gameplay based on the summons and not just me DoTing and using my egi abilities when up.

I used to call summoners class (in all games) "classe a bebette" in French wich you can transltate by....euh....class with a lot of minions maybe ? Because you have that feeling of having a lot of creature at your service, some of them being just the way your attack looks like (for example the witch doctor in D3 that through jars full of spiders at the enemy, it's just a simple attack but the spiders in it gives you that idea that you control the creatures) or being a gameplay mechanic (like WoW's warloc % of proking "adds" on the ennemy when using specific attacs)

I agree with on the fact it would be impossible to balance and so does SE thus we have Egi glam, a way to give us the illusion we have multiple choice and summons ^^"

Plus I don't see why we could not have bigger (not more powerful) Egi like in "It-Which-Must-Not-Be-Named" just for the look

that's a pretty succub....Shiva
(consol limitation maybe ? I'm very bad when it comes to technologies so I don't know how powerfull they are^^")

[Kosmos992k]

Not really the big ones, but at least more than just 3 to choose from if we keep that system, procs on my spells adding little ones for example, basically a gameplay based on the summons and not just me DoTing and using my egi abilities when up.**snip**
Plus I don't see why we could not have bigger (not more powerful) Egi like in "It-Which-Must-Not-Be-Named" just for the look

that's a pretty succub....Shiva
(consol limitation maybe ? I'm very bad when it comes to technologies so I don't know how powerfull they are^^")

LOL, well, if the Egi looked anything like those (Shiva), I'd play an ice summoner a lot...

There are two issues here for me, and they are separate.

1) the Egi are just not what people were expecting or hoping for, myself included. It looks to me that the designers were going for a mere representation of the named primals. I do think that the designs of the Egi could have been closer to a chibi version of the primal being summoned, along with a signature move for each.

2) Pet glamours. If this had been used to give Summoners improved skins for their Egi, like a more Titan like Titan, It would be nice and would not create the problem we have now. What I mean is that by using carbuncles for the glamours, it automatically raises a question about Scholars since they too are based on Arcanist. Since both Summoner and Scholar are based primarily on Arcanist, why are Summoners the only ones that can still summon forth a pet with the appearance of a carbuncle?

Had the Egi glamours simply been enhanced designs of the original Egi, along with additional ones in future, then I think Scholars might have still wondered a little about it. But because the system immediately uses colored carbuncles, when short of unqeuiping a soulstone, Scholars cannot summon their faithful carbies at all, this system creates a problem with Scholars feeling left out.

[Celef]

scholar issue

I'll auto quote myself because lazy ^^"

I agree with you one the waste of ressources but my guess is that they might be afraid of SCH reaction.

If you get access to Carby like we do (and I agree you should be abble to, you are after all, ARC just like us), what will happen if they give us Shiva or Sophia glam but not to SCH ? (I even add "when they add them" cause they said they will someday)
Some will understand SCH should not have access to because Egi are SUM part of the job but others will create hundreds of topics to whine that "we should have them too !!!!" (Because pretty and they had access to Carby before)

So basically, imho, they won't give this feature to reasonable SCH because of the "not reasonable" ones which is both a waste of ressources and sad for those of you who just want Carby :/

And i think they started by Carby just because not enought people available right now while Carby was already existing, whici makes me wonder why only those 3 when we already know about 5 in total with black and white ( #lovelovegimmegimme)

And make them bigger its difficult to see them. (And ifrit is still broken plz fix him he sucks compared to Garuda.)

Agreed on that, I keep loosing my Garuda when I use the "sit" command ^^"