Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Aerowaffle]

Oh because i don't like the jump potion system and don't wanna support it im toxic ? Interesting.
Litteraly made a crusade anti-CS since months and the way this shop tend to become a pay to win is something i don't like.

I won't the support the idea of those potions in anytime, does it makes me toxic ? Don't think so.

The only guy who seems toxic to me is you, calling everyone toxic elitists because we don't have the same playstyle or wishes.

You're requesting a specific option to alienate players based on if they purchased a jump potion, regardless of their skill or attitude. Once the jump potion is in the game, it is now how the game is designed. The jump potion will continue to allow developers to build on an already extremely long storyline. MMOs need new players. The amount of content to go through to reach the point where existing players are at is intimidating. This can easily sway many players into not playing if their primary reason to play an MMO is to play relevant content with friends.

[Brian_]

Oh because i don't like the jump potion system and don't wanna support it im toxic ? Interesting.
Litteraly made a crusade anti-CS since months and the way this shop tend to become a pay to win is something i don't like.

I won't the support the idea of those potions in anytime, does it makes me toxic ? Don't think so.

The only guy who seems toxic to me is you, calling everyone toxic elitists because we don't have the same playstyle, wishes or ideas and don't let people express themselves just prove you're the toxic here.

If you don't support it then don't pay for it. Why are you punished other people for how they spend their money?

Oh right, because you want to impose your play style onto someone else and punish them for not conforming to your ideals. You want your opinion to count for more than just your opinion.

Projection 101. Claim that someone is doing what you are doing.

While the PF can discriminate, the DF can't beyond loose language restrictions. You are trying to change the way our shared queue system works based on your play style, wishes, and ideas.

[Watachy]

You're requesting a specific option to alienate players based on if they purchased a jump potion, regardless of their skill or attitude. Once the jump potion is in the game, it is now how the game is designed. The jump potion will continue to allow developers to build on an already extremely long storyline. MMOs need new players. The amount of content to go through to reach the point where existing players are at is intimidating. This can easily sway many players into not playing if their primary reason to play an MMO is to play relevant content with friends.

Since we don't have a lot of information of the design of those potions himself we can really debate about it.
Give the player who used a potion the title or logo, i don't what it's gonna be, for a certain amount of time seems legit to me.
Once this amount of time has come to end, this player will be considered as a "normal/established player", but litterally throwing new players to farm parties in PF will just be a pain to everyone.

Players need to learn a fight or something ? You have the mentor system, you can do a "training PF" and you've got the raid finder for Savages and Ex Primals.
That's why i think we should have options to limit the impact of the "potions players" for a certain amount of time in the established players parties.

Im apparently a "toxic elitist" but allowing "potions players" to come into farm parties will just be the worst thing to do in my opinion, and the community just gonna turn more toxic then it is actually.

If you don't support it then don't pay for it. Why are you punished other people for how they spend their money?

Oh right, because you want to impose your play style onto someone else and punish them for not conforming to your ideals. You want your opinion to count for more than just your opinion.

Im actually trying to prevent those "potions players" from harassment because that's what they gonna face if they have all the toolkit we have actually just after they use a potion.

Not gonna respond to your salty attitude since it's ridiculously childish.

Wanna learn a fight ? You have tools for that as i said above.
Wanna farm something ? you should have done it once to join a farm PF (and that's not only a "potions players" problem).

[Nestama]

I love teaching new players. But there's a time and a place for it. End game content is not that place. If a blm in dzem needs help with rotation bring it on, no elitist attitude, love to help. But expert roulette fire3 spam? "I just started playing" cmon. It happens and it's annoying.

Then you either tell them to learn how to play (if it was indeed Expert Roulette), or kick them. Difference in playstyle can be a legitimate excuse to kick someone.

Im actually trying to prevent those "potions players" from harassment because that's what they gonna face if they have all the toolkit we have actually just after they use a potion.

Except they won't be harassed unless they say they used the potion and if they DO get harassed because they used the potion, then they can report the player for harassment.
If you really don't want a potion user (or rather, someone who has never done the fight ever at all like me who has never completed Thordan and Nidhogg EX but would like to) to join your farming party, then good news! PF is going to have a password system!

[Aerowaffle]

Since we don't have a lot of information of the design of those potions himself we can really debate about it.
Give the player who used a potion the title or logo, i don't what it's gonna be, for a certain amount of time seems legit to me.

These potions are already in the game, just not in our versions.

"These potions are currently implemented in the Chinese and Korean versions of the game, but not the global version."

Once this amount of time has come to end, this player will be considered as a "normal/established player", but litterally throwing new players to farm parties in PF will just be a pain to everyone.

The negative effects of the jump potions are a nessessary evil. The alternative, a slowly dying game due to lower and lower amounts of new players, is worse.

[AmalonStar]

Personally I'm torn here, on one hand I can see the idea about having the potions.

Lately I've been rather busy and have had little to no time to be able to play. I struggle to cap my weekly tombs never mind even starting the newest Alexander raids, I've flagged the quest for it but haven't had the time to do it. Imagine a new player in the same position.

On the other hand I see lazy people buying up these potions and still not bothering to learn their jobs and expecting everyone to carry them through storm blood. I might not have the time I had but when hw came out I was in full upgraded poetics gear and raid gear, I put the work into it to have the privilege of being among the first to learn the new content and be on the front lines of it. Others should need to do the same.

To help the new players get to the new content faster increase the exp from MSQ and condense it some but still let them go through at least most of the story.

[AmalonStar]

Heck give them a set of the old Eso ilvl 200 gear from quest closer to storm blood or something.

[Watachy]

These potions are already in the game, just not in our versions.

"These potions are currently implemented in the Chinese and Korean versions of the game, but not the global version."

The negative effects of the jump potions are a nessessary evil. The alternative, a slowly dying game due to lower and lower amounts of new players, is worse.

Even if those potions are implemented we don't have any clue about how they're working actually, or did i miss something ?

For the "game is dying" and the fact we need newplayers im just gonna quote this guy:

Absolute nonsense. Several other ways to alleviate these problems could have been implemented, they just weren't as cash grabby.

[Brian_]

Since we d'ont have a lot of information of the design of those potions himself we can really debate about it.
Give the player who used a potion the title or logo, i don't what it's gonna be, for a certain amount of time seems legit to me.
Once this amount of time has come to end, this player will be considered as a "normal/established player", but litterally throwing new players to farm parties in PF will just be a pain to everyone.

Players need to learn a fight or something ? You have the mentor system, you can do a "training PF" and you've got the raid finder for Savages and Ex Primals.
That's why i think we should have options to limit the impact of the "potions players" for a certain amount of time in the established players parties.

Im apparently a "toxic elitist" but allowing "potions players" to come into farm parties will just be the worst thing to do in my opinion, and the community just gonna turn more toxic then it is actually.

What the hell does the jump potion have to do with farm parties? They're skipping the MSQ. Not removing their lore bonus from Savage. They're not even skipping to end-game. Just to the latest expansion. They still need to actually play the expansion.

Could it cause some problems for learning parties? Sure. But it's a learning party. You should expect people to need to learn.

And what proof do you have that a potion player won't be a better player than you?

And more projection. Salty and childish? My first post was telling people to stop being salty. Childish? You mean like saying you're done replying to someone because they challenged your opinion? Or trying to exclude people from your groups because they don't agree with your play style / ideas?

[Watachy]

You mean like saying you're done replying to someone because they challenged your opinion? Or trying to exclude people from your groups because they don't agree with your play style / ideas?

Challenge opinions and debate is different from calling everyone who don't have the same vision of you toxic.

PF is going to have a password system!

Password won't prove someone has already done the content.
They should put an option like the RF.