I know it's been talked about, but seriously. No Jump Potions, here is why.

[RaijinSupreme]

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This is flawed.

1) I agree that it is indeed a final fantasy game (like, duh right?). But there are PLENTY of people who end game raid savage clear world firsters that literally skips every cutscene they come across. Who knows absolutely nothing about the story or why we are even fighting any of the things we fight. and that's fine, it works for them. So no, not everyone is here for the story.

2) No. no. This game by no means play like a single player game at all. I don't join guilds or free companies in SPG's. I don't have to spend 30+ minutes, even hours at times, sitting a in a queue to do a story dungeon just to continue playing the game. I don't have to worry about the skill level of a random stranger I'm playing with, and whether or not we will actually make it through the content. I don't have to be griefed by another player who sees my green leaf, examines my gear, calls me scrub, and leaves the dungeon, forcing me to have to wait even longer until someone else to come and do the same thing. So while the story is centered around each of us like its a single player game, The actual gameplay i that of a MMO, because it actually is a MMO.


3) There hasn't been any confirmed news that explicitly says the jump potion will not be implemented at the start of the expansion. There hasn't been any confirmed or explicit news saying when exactly it will be implemented, or even if it will be implemented at all.

4) facts

5) These are not the only people that will be buying this potion. In fact, Yoshi-P's statements regarding the jump potion was specifically centered around the idea that the jump potion was for new players.

Yoshi-P:

Intentions Behind Implementing the Jumping Potion

The main reason we decided to implement the "Jumping Potion" was to "make it easier for the newer players to catch up with the rest of the community."

The current trend in the gaming market is for games to be easily accessible, played in short periods of time, and played and stopped whenever the players want. This is the exact opposite of an MMORPG in a sense.

I am not saying we want to make MMORPGs follow this trend; however, our job is to bolster operations so that as many new players as possible are able to play with everyone.

If an MMORPG is not able to recruit new players, all that is left is for the game to stabilize and eventually go on a decline. At that moment, the type of operation of the game would shift to one that works hard to slow down the pace of decline. To prevent the game from reaching that point, we would like to prepare as much as we can for the potential new players that may be interested in the game.

That last line is my favorite because it speaks volumes.

[bass9020]

You sound dumb. You're basically saying "you can't have that supper common minion because you didn't talk to that npc and collect the 10 bear butts like I did 2 years ago. Just an attempt to "weed out" those filthy jumpers

If you want any response from me you will rethink how you address me.

[RaijinSupreme]

Yes but if you use the leveling potion you would get the achievement for it and the titles. It should not give anything at all other than the levels and story skip should just give you completion nothing more.

But that would just end up punishing players for deciding to skip content, when it shouldn't feel like a punishment at all.

Maybe its because i don't see the story MSQ achievements, minions and mounts as important at all because they are literally just story stuff. Like they're not noteworthy in the slightest. The dragon mount was at first, but that was only the case since there were like only 5 flying mounts back then. That's even old news now.

[bass9020]

But that would just end up punishing players for deciding to skip content, when it shouldn't feel like a punishment at all.

Maybe its because i don't see the story MSQ achievements, minions and mounts as important at all because they are literally just story stuff. Like they're not noteworthy in the slightest. The dragon mount was at first, but that was only the case since there were like only 5 flying mounts back then. That's even old news now.

They are skipping a majority of the games content in seconds, I dont think withholding any achievement, title, minion or mount is that horrible. It doesnt matter if its old news its still an accomplishment of doing it regardless of the date.

[Cold_Raven]

I'm not going to get long winded here, but I will try to make the case as to why Jump Potions are downright NOT A GOOD THING for this game, using the primary comparison of WoW.

You have a valid point that new players will not be as invested in the game as you are. This is undeniable.

However, if FF14 does not add jump potions, there will be NO MORE new players. Well, a few will still, but not nearly enough. And the game will die.
Pick your poison.

To me, jump potions are a solution to a problem.
It comes with some reservations, but those reservations are minor in comparison to the problem that the jump potions are solving.

[thegreatonemal]

If you want any response from me you will rethink how you address me.

I don't particularly care. it is how you come across you have two options continue sounding like that or change makes no difference to me.


@RaijinSupreme
1. I know i included those types of people they are the experienced MMO players
2. This game plays like a single player with multiplayer aspects for as long as your following the MSQ yes guilds Fc and stuff like that are here but not needed to get a great deal of content out of this game look at most reviews to this game they all come across as saying " Hey FF fans this is an ff game and you don't really have to worry about that MMO title attached because it doesn't feel like that at all". It only starts to play like an MMO when you hit cap and start your tome grind and primal farms and daily quest routines.
3. recent interviews have already confirmed that the potions with either come during the 4.x series or the next expansion.
4. I am aware but again interviews with the man have already shown that the potions target the types of people I said along with newer players who got convinced to play by their friends. though its there as an option as the game grows and we get to having 5 and 6 expansions as you quoted him saying

[Niraves]

Why did this need its own thread? Isn't there already a thread about jump potions like.. two threads down the list on the first page?

[DJaySaint]

I find jump potions more useful for people who want alts. I don't know why people keep overlooking that. The junk in between A Realm Reborn and Heavensward is just that: junk. 100 quests of garbage. I want to play an alt, but I don't want to go through all of the story and all of the unlocks again. It's tedious. If the jump potions were available when I started, I wouldn't have used one because I wanted to experience the game at least once. I'm sure many new players will and do feel the same.

So this whole argument of "new players will be terrible" is moot because most new people will probably not use it due to the fact that they would miss the story entirely. I don't know many people who start playing Final Fantasy XIV that aren't invested in the story. Story is why you play a Final Fantasy game.

I imagine jump potions will get used way more by veterans who just want to make an alt than brand new players who know nothing about the game. Why would you want to subject yourself to that anyway and start the game on max level with the story all done and have no idea what's going on? People are blowing this way out of proportion.

Besides, veterans pretty much have their established group of people they run with already. Even if brand new players DO use a jump potion you'll more than likely never run in to them anyway as they still have that gear hurdle to get over in order to start the raiding and high end content you're doing. So if someone chooses to spend money and skip everything, why does it concern you? It's their decision, not yours. And you'll more than likely never be affected at all.

[Gemina]

It's not a win/win situation as many believe. Someone is going to lose. If the potions are implemented, those who want to run outdated content will have a harder time than they do already, and knowing they will have this difficult time will keep them from subscribing. If they are not, the game also loses potential new subscribers from those who don't want to do the grind. I'm sure SE has looked at it from this perspective and will likely go with the decision they feel they will keep/gain the most amount of subs.

I am more on the side that wishes SE would trim the fat on old content, and release the potions only for those who get at least one class to 50. Something just doesn't seem right about being a new subscriber, using a potion, and your dungeon clear log is all checked out and you still have yet to go inside one. If, and that is a big IF, sh*t hits the fan after they release the potions, you can best believe I will be one of the first to say, "I told you so." If the community actually prospers from it, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

[ErikMynhier]

I wonder how many players who are against the JPs because people wont understand the story, of those people how many have yelled at new players in the past, "HEY! Skip the CS, you can watch them in the INN!" I guess the story is vital until it gets in their way.