As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Judge_Xero]

I see here is posts that state that healers got nothing else to do but dps in between healing, either your in low content, or your in good groups, the majority of groups Im in you dont get the space really, like I said I can perform to 'maximum efficiency' if im with a good healer and with a good team. I join alot of casual groups that do require both healers usually. I am a very active player that helps alot of people clear too. In my experience most groups need alot of healing, not dps. Many of you may just play with friends or statics, which is a completey different scenario

While agree with your statement that good groups do make fights easier to DPS, it still makes me wonder why on your logs a SCH would need to cast Succor 22 times in A9S. Also with the large groups of mobs why a SCH would not cast 1 Bane. Visibly the WHM had the entire fight under control and due to the low gear level needed 2 Succor's for Acid Rain and Adlo for the Scrapline Tank Buster and possibly an Indom for the Faust AOE. The Fairy offered enough single target healing coupled with Rouse for when the Faust was out and Regens to sustain both Tanks.

Not to toot my own horn, but under near identical conditions I found the opportunity to perform 10X more damage back in Novemeber. This created a large reduction in the required TP for Melee Classes which in turn increased damage dealt directly to the boss and reduced fight time by 120 seconds.

I was almost capped on acc but took some off cos Im wmg now. I have been 'trained' in scholar. Im working at it, but not using it for static atm. Dont really want to play hardcore Im just enjoying progressing in a11s. Which I feel our team is good enough to do.

Awesome well I'm glad you are progressing well. A11 is the first large hurdle for most groups. ACC is still nice on WHM for any opportunities where you can DPS since the other secondary stats don't really do a whole lot in comparison.

[Feyona]

While agree with your statement that good groups do make fights easier to DPS, it still makes me wonder why on your logs a SCH would need to cast Succor 22 times in A9S.

Not to toot my own horn, but under near identical conditions I found the opportunity to perform 10X more damage back in Novemeber.



Awesome well I'm glad you are progressing well. A11 is the first large hurdle for most groups. ACC is still nice on WHM for any opportunities where you can DPS since the other secondary stats don't really do a whole lot in comparison.

You referring to november one? Idk tbh why I cast succor in that fight 22 times cant remember tbh. Why is that relevant? Unless its meant to show Im not an expert player, and Ive already said that Im not.

[Judge_Xero]

You referring to november one? Idk tbh why I cast succor in that fight 22 times cant remember tbh. Why is that relevant? Unless its meant to show Im not an expert player, and Ive already said that Im not.

It was simply in reference to what I quoted from you

I see here is posts that state that healers got nothing else to do but dps in between healing, either your in low content, or your in good groups, the majority of groups Im in you dont get the space really, like I said I can perform to 'maximum efficiency' if im with a good healer and with a good team. I join alot of casual groups that do require both healers usually. I am a very active player that helps alot of people clear too. In my experience most groups need alot of healing, not dps. Many of you may just play with friends or statics, which is a completey different scenario

I felt it was relevant given your above statement because:
- you were in a pretty decent group
- your WHM pretty much solo healed the fight
- you not only did almost 0 DPS but also spammed Succor forcing the BRD to play Ballad when Paeon was needed due to how much the melee needed to AOE the groups of adds since there was no SCH DPS.

It is not to show that you aren't an expert player by any means. Just that your statements appear to be mostly false about giving effort and still being ridiculed.

I mean, that was back in November and a lot can happen in 3 months, but given your current stand on the healer meta I imagine things are similar?

[Feyona]

It was simply in reference to what I quoted from you



I felt it was relevant given your above statement, because it is a perfect example of how a SCH has ample time to support a group with DPS, but didn't. Not only that but Succor isn't cheap and I wouldn't be surprised if that also cut into the BRD's output having to use Mage's Ballad.

It is not to show that you aren't an expert player by any means. Just that your statements appear to be mostly false.

I will amend that then to meanig allow me to play at mximum efficiency. Mostly false? Now Im being accused of making things up and I can assure you that I am not. Simply misinterpreted or misleading the way I put it. Tbh I think we were all learning at the time I think I remember my co healer ( the wmg )asking me to help him heal the acid rain and faust.

[Judge_Xero]

I will amend that then to meanig allow me to play at mximum efficiency. Mostly false? Now Im being accused of making things up and I can assure you that I am not. Simply misinterpreted or misleading the way I put it

Absolutely I am not accusing you of making things up.
While like you I am also fairly new to playing Scholar, but under an almost identical situation in the same fight in the same month with very similar gear (by the looks of average heals of the Fairy), I brought to my group:
- more useful mitigation (Deployed Adlo VS Succor for Acid Rain. Timed Virus for Tank busters)
- significantly less MP usage. (I go out of MP @ 11 casts of Succor and you used 22?!?!)
- 1300 DPS vs 100
- 120s faster clear time

So how come you weren't able to do the same or better, if you try to do all these things under "ideal" conditions?

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*** I say identical as well in the sense that the party took nearly identical damage not counting the additional mitigation I provided. Other than in my group MT Tank damage was about 15% higher.

[Feyona]

So how come you weren't able to do the same or better, if you try to do all these things under "ideal" conditions?

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*** I say identical as well in the sense that the party took nearly identical damage not counting the additional mitigation I provided. Other than in my group MT Tank damage was about 15% higher.

In a way Im new to raiding, well, actually Ive only just started serious raiding. Im just learnng to play scholar this way. And now Im learning wmg as a raider. I think thats why I made the points cos some dont give you chance to learn the expect you to know, if not they want you to know so your not given alot of chance cos people dont alwys have the time to invest in people learning stuff we cant always get good groups to play with plus I may not be able to play as well as you, not cos I dont try though. Ill admit Im not one of the most efficient players, through habit my go to spells are heals if the group looks in difficulty in the attempt succor may give some space to dps but still didnt feel 'safe' to dps

[Deliciou5]

In a way Im new to raiding, well, actually Ive only just started serious raiding. Im just learnng to play scholar this way. And now Im learning wmg as a raider. I think thats why I made the points cos some dont give you chance to learn the expect you to know, if they expect you to if not they want you to so your not given alot of chance cos people dont alwys have the time to invest in people learning stuff we cant always get good groups to play with plus I may not be able to play as well as you, not cos I dont try though.

Good groups are hard to come by, try your best in all forms of content like expert of 50 dungeon roulette to practice your art. The game is designed to rely heavily on dps, its just the design choice SE went with unfortunately, very few types of content reward heal only play style, like any job in the game you just need more practice at dpsing. That's all you gotta do, practice. As i stated before, as long as you don't make excuses and you try, your alright in my book.

Sorry if i am late to the party with the following statement but i have been reading pages of what feyona had to say and this is my response.

Do not constantly use emotions to make points and fling the victim card around(don't pretend you didn't do this either), i can only imagine what you would be like in game if some offered genuine constructive criticism to you. Your behavior in this thread hasn't really been stellar, you should really try to learn from your mistakes in this thread and acknowledge what people say more instead of constantly pointing the finger at others, yes there are arse-holes who only want to hurt you or make a fool of you but you just gotta deal with it like an adult and make your case in a mature manner as possible. If you don't, even if people agree with you they won't come to your defense out of embarrassment, you don't make your side of things look good. In fact you end up hurting your arguments rather than helping them. On some level you need to gain the respect of others to get them to listen to you. IF you want the perceived hate to stop then you need to give them something to respect, whether its on the forums or in-game.

You seemed to come around somewhat in the last few pages, but in the end your behavior overall needs serious improving, if you acted this way in the forums what would you say and do in game? Everyone has a chance to explain themselves on the forums, everyone can carefully write out their thoughts and be be more mature. Not the case in game, i notice in a lot of toxic parties that people will single out your mistakes because they don't like personally you, even if other players in the party has had made mistakes, even serious ones that wiped the party.

[Judge_Xero]

In a way Im new to raiding, well, actually Ive only just started serious raiding. Im just learnng to play scholar this way. And now Im learning wmg as a raider. I think thats why I made the points cos some dont give you chance to learn the expect you to know, if they expect you to if not they want you to so your not given alot of chance cos people dont alwys have the time to invest in people learning stuff we cant always get good groups to play with plus I may not be able to play as well as you, not cos I dont try though.

You know I think we're finally getting somewhere. While it does suck to get kicked from a group because you are not good and let's face it, according to that log you may have been a fresh Level 60 Scholar. That group was good and they deserved a decent Scholar so don't take it to heart that you weren't at that level, "yet". Take time to practice your class, read some guides. You can even test your spells, see how they work with your buffs (because Tetra and Asylum don't get the Divine Seal Buff etc). Check the range of your spells, especially for your AOE toolkit. Once you have a decent grasp of the toolkit then you can work on fitting in DPS and working on healing without healing and see how long you can DPS etc.
Even if you dont' want to DPS since you will now be a White Mage, then at least work on not making your Support Healer heal unless required. Then you can slowly build up your confidence to be able to do both.

Definitely work some DPS into your Dungeon runs though to practice doing as little healing as possible while keeping everyone alive. Eventually things will just click and you can join us back here in 4.0 to tell off the new group of anti-DPS Healers.