As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[AmeliaVerves]

I mean, do you see post of healer saying they love to stance dance and apply dmg?

I love the way SCH is designed, including all of the stance dance potential and I love pushing my damage, while still performing well as healer. It was a long and hard way to get to the point where I am now: feeling super comfortable with stance dancing and dpsing and performing well.
Also I love being in a hurry as off healer. Being in a rush to get out that last Broil, then leaving CS and throwing out heals, then jumping back into CS to renew my DoTs. Awesome feeling to help out the groups damage and the other healer by throwing out some well timed Lustrates.

For me this is what savage content is all about!
Pushing your own limits!
Getting better with every single run and improving your performance to be able to push one more phase and get it done even quicker than before.

I read that several times before and made it my healer mantra: "Never stop casting!"

[AmalonStar]

The big thing that some people are missing here is that no one is expecting a healer to dps straight. A healer that toss's out some dps in between healing helps speed things up as well as killing the mobs faster which means less healing that needs to be done.

All depending on the healing job there are things you can throw out in between heals for dps. For whm holy will stun the mobs which halts further damaged being done to your party or gives you a chance to catch up with healing if your party has been taking a lot of damage.

If you're just straight healing and just sitting waiting for the next time to heal someone you're not learning to use your chosen job to it's fullest potential and are basically looking to be carried through the content in my opinion.

Bottom line for healers is healing does take priority over dpsing but when you're able to assist with some dps in between healing you should be.

[AmalonStar]

Further more be thankful for the duty finder because if things were like they were back on FF11 if you built up a rep of not using your selected job to it's fullest you were lucky if you ever got a party to be able to level.

[Sylvain]

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I should have said "open thread" XD, otherwise in fact you always have the constant fight between those who post they don't, and those who love. My bad
(Glad you do enjoy the system though, cuz I've the feeling it will remain this way)
I edited my post to avoid the confusion if someone else quote that part.

[AmalonStar]

I should have said "open thread" XD, otherwise in fact you always have the constant fight between those who post they don't, and those who love. My bad
(Glad you do enjoy the system though, cuz I've the feeling it will remain this way)
I edited my post to avoid the confusion if someone else quote that part.

Sorry I am an old FF11 player and back on there as a healer your job pretty much was straight healing an when you weren't healing you were resting and gaining back mp cause it was a constant pull of mobs one after another lol.

I have adapted to 14 and the changes between the 2 games. Not needing to take a knee to rest and regain mp I've been able to do some dps in between heals and still using the job to it's fullest potential.

[AmeliaVerves]

I should have said "open thread" XD, otherwise in fact you always have the constant fight between those who post they don't, and those who love. My bad
(Glad you do enjoy the system though, cuz I've the feeling it will remain this way)
I edited my post to avoid the confusion if someone else quote that part.

Haha, don't worry, I didn't take it too serious anyways.
This was just too tempting and I couldn't resist. xP

[Feyona]

I do not like the way cleric is designed, and most healers I speak to in game dont like It either. One of the top ranked dps for scholars who gave me some advice, said Quote " Its the hardest job in the world". Anyone, can see that scolar has many spells to manage, and if you want to be great at dps you got to use all of them. Now if you have a good team, including a good main heal, you have the space to do it. Not many casual groups do have everyone playing efficiently. Therefore, you dont get the space, even so some wannabe hard core groups expect that you should have, cos your a scholar right? Well maybe you dont see the problem, but ive experienced it. Another issue I have is that I really enjoy healing with my scholar, but Im not 'allowed' to. I like the way It heals. Oh its selfish to want to enjoy the game right? Id like the design different yeah sure, cleric to me is a bane

[Judge_Xero]

I do not like the way cleric is designed, and most healers I speak to in game dont like It either. One of the top ranked dps for scholars who gave me some advice, said Quote " Its the hardest job in the world". Anyone, can see that scolar has many spells to manage, and if you want to be great at dps you got to use all of them. Now if you have a good team, including a good main heal, you have the space to do it. Not many casual groups do have everyone playing efficiently. Therefore, you dont get the space, even so some wannabe hard core groups expect that you should have, cos your a scholar right? Well maybe you dont see the problem, but ive experienced it. Another issue I have is that I really enjoy healing with my scholar, but Im not 'allowed' to. I like the way It heals. Oh its selfish to want to enjoy the game right? Id like the design different yeah sure, cleric to me is a bane

Still here, eh? I'm looking forward to when you make a new thread asking for help on how to play SCH if you still plan on being a competitive Raider.

While it's possible you ended up with a terribly mean group that sort of jaded you on the Raiding Scene, TBH if I was trialing a SCH that showed up with any other melds besides accuracy while so far below what has been known as the cap for Creator Savage since it started (Thanks for adding that to SSS SE) I would have politely held off on the Trial until said changes were addressed. So if that group allowed you to progress under those conditions I can't imagine they were all so bad. Personally I don't feel that it's unreasonable to expect the bare minimum of someone for a Raid Party, and for SCH that is absolutely having capped Accuracy because:
A - It is expected to DPS
B - SCH requires accuracy to sustain it's MP through Energy Drains *** This is such a core part of the class itself
C - Secondary Stats offer such small gains in healing/DPS compared to the gains in DPS that accuracy gives.

Also if the group in question is the one you have logs of, then I can tell you they did play pretty efficiently. Especially the tanks, and the WHM for a newish group.

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I also enjoy healing as SCH. It's not so much that they aren't "allowed" to, but you must know that a large portion of SCH's healing toolkit is Shields correct? So unless you really enjoy Physick in between parts of a fight that required Shielding there's not a whole lot to love IMO and it's the DPS portion on top of the strong mitigation tools that really makes SCH shine. The only good thing about SCH sustained healing is the pet and well.....that can be done in Clerics.

Again though, you should really ask for some help in your own thread. FFXIV does have a great supportive community especially on these forums. Because with each comment it gives the appearance that maybe you aren't that familiar with SCH gameplay in a Raid setting, even outside of the DPS Meta.

[AmalonStar]

I myself so find that clerics stance is a pain to try and stance dance between healing and dps. There has been times that I've had to try and switch back out of clerics quickly to start healing and for what ever reason clerics was still up.

It would be easier and a lot less stressful for a healer to take the clerics stance out and base their dps damage off their mind stat rather than int. truth be told sometimes while I'm healing and get in some dps I don't even switch into clerics because I'm concerned that I may miss a heal. In my opinion for a healer seconds count, as quick as it is to switch back out of clerics could be a second too late to get a good cure out when someone gets hit hard.

[VanilleFang]

Why does everyone want to remove Cleric Stance and make playing healers easier? CS is not glitched. If it does not drop when you want it to there are a many number of reasons for this.
1. Still on CD
2. Ping issues
3. Double click, which would reactivate it
4. Misclicking

Healing is already easy outside raiding, and I would not call it the hardest role to play in the game. Making them easier to play would make them boring. Why would you want to remove the biggest skill determinator the role has?