If we are going to have a jump potion can we put Stone Sky Sea on steroids?

[NolLacnala]

The time we did have a bar to pass, Steps of Faith, it was nerfed to the ground. It's a laughable shell of what it once was.
They're not going to gate anyone from stuff or seems. Just take it as part of the games difficulty - carrying players.

If you win the DF lottery, you too can enjoy two healers who barely heal, don't DPS, and eat literally every mechanic in a11. That's half an hour of your life you ain't getting back. Pity the DPS that gets the prey mark cause they aren't going to do anything about it!

[Underdog2204]

If you win the DF lottery, you too can enjoy two healers who barely heal, don't DPS, and eat literally every mechanic in a11. That's half an hour of your life you ain't getting back. Pity the DPS that gets the prey mark cause they aren't going to do anything about it!

God I've lost count of how many times I've died to that... I enjoyed a nice response from one healer though was "It's easier to let you die". Ofc these healers couldn't keep people (or themselves) alive even without a weakness debuff xD

Ofc I read this as "Mechanics made for my role are too annoying to deal with".

Ooorrrr something I'm coming across alot lately, people actually moving and standing right next to me when I'm main tanking stuff then promptly getting themselves killed with Cleaves/Gazes etc. Had a MNK do this 3 times on Rahmu recently, I said specifically to stay away from me too. It astonishes me...

[Mithrahn]

Ooorrrr something I'm coming across alot lately, people actually moving and standing right next to me when I'm main tanking stuff then promptly getting themselves killed with Cleaves/Gazes etc. Had a MNK do this 3 times on Rahmu recently, I said specifically to stay away from me too. It astonishes me...

Maybe they thought you wanted company and were just being tsundere... /j
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[Isala]

And if you put up too many barriers to be able to participate people just won't play and will unsub - including good players.

If they were truly good players, they wouldn't have noticed a barrier in the first place. They'd have already cleared it because it was there.

[aesteval]

If they were truly good players, they wouldn't have noticed a barrier in the first place. They'd have already cleared it because it was there.

If they have to clear the barrier weekly, as what I quoted requested, they would notice.

[Critical-Limit]

Adding stuff like you mentioned into the game won't change players. They will simply do what they need to pass that barrier and then just go back to how they were, it won't change them if they have no real desire to make the change.

If they "do what's minimally necessary" then revert back into a bad. At least they'll have the skill set needed to do something. And they may turn it up if they can't be carried.

The other scenario you get someone who is bad and they literally can not turn it up even if they want to for a second cuz they don't know.

[Ilan]

If you want to gate content with barriers like the bronze and silver stuff you will lose the players who are not good. But guess what, SE doesn't want to lose players because then they lose money and thats why they nerfed most stuff already.

[ShaneDawn]

Add parsers to the game and the DPS players finally have to get their shit together.

[Zojha]

Add parsers to the game and the DPS players finally have to get their shit together.

Soon followed by DPS rotations being extremely simplified so you can get good DPS just mashing 2-3 buttons in order to solve discrimination issues.

[LineageRazor]

Sounds like the OP seriously muddled the message he was trying to convey, by mixing it with the debate on Jump Potions.

What he's really asking for, is some kind of challenge or rite of passage that needs to be cleared before players can engage in endgame activities. Some kind of, "You must git this gud before you can ride this ride." A general purpose Faust.

Jump potions really have nothing to do with it; folks who think it's going to seriously harm the average quality of endgame gamers are dreaming. Heck, if anything, I'd say jump potions may actually INCREASE the proportions of serious hardcores in endgame; many if not most hardcore players I've interacted with have been pretty dismissive of the storyline, and would have been happy to skip it. They're here for the challenging fights, and don't really give a flip about WHY they're fighting. Now there's a way for hardcore endgamers who might otherwise be turned off by the main scenario slog to skip straight to the end.

I don't really think we need to put more obstacles in place of reaching endgame. Endgame has few enough members as it is. That said, I AM in favor of more challenging Main Scenario content. Final Steps of Faith (Normal) was a decent step in that direction. While not a serious challenge by endgame standards, it's not really something a pack of newbies can derp their way through. Just because content isn't "optional" doesn't mean it has to be a cakewalk.