Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Can I also note for Healers to stop queing in POTD Floor 80 - 90 90 - 100 at +40 arms please?q_q

You're joking right? A group of dps at +42 enhancements can defeat the last boss with no problem at all and without a single death.

[Cleftobismal]

You're joking right? A group of dps at +42 enhancements can defeat the last boss with no problem at all and without a single death.

You haven't seen my runs. \o\ It doesn't work as well as you claim. /o/



Passable doesn't mean it's wanted. Especially if they're hardly doing a scratch. (Both Healing and DPSING) Let alone there is less room for error since their arms is extremely low. Ultimately leading to his/her quick death at the boss when they make a mistake.


If you're comfortable with +40's in a floor thats 2x their arms level fine. Just know there are voices like mine who aren't and would rather not go through the pain of having one in the party again.

[Taika]

The bullying problem isnt just mine. I spoke to someone yester day that is learning healing and was given a hard time in a dungeon, and had to log to get over it.

It's not bullying if someone is given advice on how they should play their job effectively. If I say "Tank, please use your AoE enmity skills", "DRG, please keep your Heavy Thrust up at all times", or "Healer, please do some DPS when people aren't taking much damage", it shouldn't make anyone upset. Now, if someone is saying something outright offensive, then it's an issue of harassment, and that person should be reported and moved from the party.

In short, it's not bullying or harassment to ask someone to play their job effectively or give them advice on how to do it.

[Rivxkobe]

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I laid out "our side" in clear words and yet you are still twisting it into something its not. Anyone who gives someone else a hard time over healing when they are learning it and causes said person to log out because they can't handle the harassment should be reported. We do not stand with people who do this, we do not participate in this kind of activity. But, again, in PotD Healers need to realize that they are not essential and "learning" by just spamming heals and not dpsing is going to get you kicked from time to time because any one doing any sort of damage will make the run faster than they will.

I was going to go on to explain how one can tell the difference between one who is learning and one who is just doing the bare minimum deliberately. But I won't. You wouldn't read it anyway, or you would take it out of context.

I'm done.

[Feyona]

I laid out "our side" in clear words and yet you are still twisting it into something its not. Anyone who gives someone else a hard time over healing when they are lea
I was going to go on to explain how one can tell the difference between one who is learning and one who is just doing the bare minimum deliberately. But I won't. You wouldn't read it anyway, or you would take it out of context.

I'm done.

I wasnt specifically talking about you I just challenged what some of you were saying, the same way that you challenged what I was saying by taking what I said out of context. Alot of comments seemed to miss the point I was making completely. I dont think everyone can tell the difference between a learner and someone who isnt trying and that was in some of my points. Sometimes even if you tell them your trying you get told to delete your account etc. Because they dont care, they just want the bad player out of the way

[Cynfael]

I wasnt specifically talking about you I just challenged what some of you were saying, the same way that you challenged what I was saying by taking what I said out of context. Alot of comments seemed to miss the point I was making completely. I dont think everyone can tell the difference between a learner and someone who isnt trying and that was in some of my points. Sometimes even if you tell them your trying you get told to delete your account etc. Because they dont care, they just want the bad player out of the way

People may appear to be missing your points because you're having a discussion other than what most everyone else here is having. We've touched on learning players and how expectations for them are different and have since moved on.

It shouldn't be necessary to preface each and every comment on gameplay issues with a disclaimer about the new player learning curve and how bullying is wrong; at some point it should be assumed that we're on the same page in regards to basic courtesy unless the poster is clearly bashing on new players or otherwise being abusive.

[Feyona]

People may appear to be missing your points because you're having a discussion other than what most everyone else here is having. We've touched on learning players and how expectations for them are different and have since moved on.

It shouldn't be necessary to preface each and every comment on gameplay issues with a disclaimer about the new player learning curve and how bullying is wrong; at some point it should be assumed that we're on the same page in regards to basic courtesy unless the poster is clearly bashing on new players or otherwise being abusive.

I dont think its that so much as they dont like what Im saying. Most of my responses were to everyone elses. So by default it was the same conversation. You can think that ofc if you want. Same as this reply. I may not say what you would like me to but its the same cnversation

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Im replying because you quoted me. You do not seem to understand that healers still need to learn afight like alexander before youknow when its safe to dps, so your comments are based on presumption. It is just thse same presmptions of what healers can and cant do which is what I am talking about

No one is saying you have to DPS day one of progression. In fact, I wouldn't even turn off Grit much (if at all) until I learned the mechanics and what I can cheese through. We're talking about once you've experienced everything and know what mechanics are coming. If you've cleared A9S, you should know when to anticipate damage and when it's safe to DPS. Or you can take up solo healing the entire fight. There are healers who refuse to DPS ever. They simply won't turn on Cleric Stance even when they're well aware there won't be any incoming damage.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Well, what matters to me most is simply getting through the instance. This is also why I mostly go in as PLD, since I can spot heal effectively when necessary, raise when needed, and mitigate and deal damage efficiently without hampering my parties ability to clear said content as quickly as can be managed. Anything over +40, while nice to have, won't speed up the run at all.

[Cleftobismal]

Anything over +40, while nice to have, won't speed up the run at all.

Are we on the same page here? You just confused me.


Anything over +40 Arms in the floors 80-100's is totally gonna make the run faster. Especially when you have party members who can split up and cover rooms.


Unless you can convince me a party of 4 +40 arms will clear the run in the same duration as a +99. I don't buy it.