Please lift glamour restrictions!

[bswpayton]

Conversely, your stuck on making people like me, that like the restrictions the way they are, play the game like it's literally every other MMO where visual identity is meaningless because anyone can look like anything. I don't like those other mmo's because invariably every option becomes a carbon copy of everything else, because it's all generic. What's stifling people's creativity isn't the glamour system in place, it's themselves.

On what other game can a tank wear caster gears appearance and not lose stat points. I know you've seen it the one dress with the sides open on the legs and the stomach showing. This is basically like the go to for a lot of casters its horrible I see to many people in this same outfit, all the time, are like the level 1 weaver shirt that also shows the stomach, or the very formal looking dress thats also a level 1 item.

Meanwhile, as long as it doesnt have anything class specific on it tanks can literally glam anything that they want in the game, how can you say that this option is ok for tanks but for healers or casters its not. If a tank can wear a robe, then a healer should be able to wear a chest piece especially guy characters, Im sure the glam options on a caster is even worse for them. So what are you talkin about other games have much more of the type of system that you want restrictions on everything with limited glaming options, if you are a tank you can only wear heavy armor, if you are a caster you can only wear light armor.

In this game one discipline can wear all three disciplines gear, and the other can wear at least two with the dragoon even having some tank gear options, casters are just left in the dust. But how with these options is it traditional , like you are saying Im not following this you keep saying it but you arent really providing an answer for what you mean exactly.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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I have no idea what robe you're talking about, at all. I've never seen any robe with the stomach open. I know that there's a robe with the split sides, but that's the healer exclusive Valerian Shaman's robe. Casters already have some choice for armor pieces in the game if they so desire, people just don't look.

[DarkDedede]

What is this? ^ ...Why would you try to attach your personal beliefs onto others :/ How do I even interpret this in a good way? It's like you are saying "I am selfish, so you all must be selfish too, don't try to lie about it."

Allow me to clarify then. The way I see it, there are two "sides" to this "argument."

One "side" is pretty much like "I want to dress how I like. If I play two jobs, and want to express myself as a hybrid as both jobs, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to express myself as such. Customization and personal expression is fun. Please devs, allow me to this type of expression to be less restrictive."

The other "side" is pretty much like "I like the way I view this in game world. I like how the themes are crafted in this in game world. If other people to not conform to these conventions, even if I do not see them, and even if it is already somewhat allowed, it risks ruining the immersive experience that I personally have in this in game world."

Two view points. Two preferences. Both I respect. However both these viewpoints, and all other viewpoints in-between, are all primarily based on one's personal desires for their own in game experience. The problem that I have with a certain perspective of a certain viewpoint is that it basically boils down to not wanting other players to have fun because it risks ruining a certain own perception of fun and immersion. Therefore they would rather restrictions be imposed on what other players can do, which happens to be a purely aesthetic sense, to preserve their own sense of their own personal in game experience.

What's even more puzzling is that the game already has avenues in place, for everyone to "express themselves," in ways that puts that viewpoints in game experience at risk. We have Augmented AF, which can be dyed a different color than the original. We have all kinds of glamour gear where people can dress themselves in a purely ridiculous manner. If people want to play with no visible armor at all, there's that option as well. We even have class specific gear that already contradicts the classic aesthetic definition of the classic stereotypes of that particular role.

Oh, and just so we're clear, 10% selfish is still selfish. I don't see what one person chooses to do in this game affects anyone else's experience at all. Of all the things that could and should be changed, improved and/or preserved in this game, I really don't see how allowing people to dress how they like, especially if they went to the effort to earn those gear pieces, as that much of a problem. Of course, that's just my opinion.

[TaleraRistain]

Yeah I've never really understood the restrictions and it kind of makes everyone boring since we're all limited to certain looks. Plus you get some really great gear that would look good on certain classes sometimes, like my goldsmith's gown. I would love to be able to glam that for my white mage.

[Niwashi]

Like only around 10% (max, and probably being generous) of the gear in the game is job locked to one job only. I personally already compromised my stance where you guys can have that 90% of the gear how you want it: no glamour restrictions, but leave that 10% job locked gear restricted since it is part of the FF franchise image to be designed and locked for those jobs.

It's more like 5% or 6% of the gear. The Eorzea Database lists 4521 pieces of gear in the head, body, hands, legs, and feet categories. AF is 5 pieces for each of 3 sets for each of 13 jobs and is it 1 or 2 sets for DoH/DoL classes? Anyway, either 250 or 305 pieces out of 4521.

I think it's perfectly fair to reserve that 5 or 6 percent to be restricted when we're advocating that the other 94-95 percent should be opened up to everyone.

[bswpayton]

It's more like 5% or 6% of the gear. The Eorzea Database lists 4521 pieces of gear in the head, body, hands, legs, and feet categories. AF is 5 pieces for each of 3 sets for each of 13 jobs and is it 1 or 2 sets for DoH/DoL classes? Anyway, either 250 or 305 pieces out of 4521.

I think it's perfectly fair to reserve that 5 or 6 percent to be restricted when we're advocating that the other 94-95 percent should be opened up to everyone.

That's the thing other people on this thread don't even agree with that sort of compromise. Are even like a gear set toogle, they think that glamour has gone far enough.

[Miste]

What's even more puzzling is that the game already has avenues in place, for everyone to "express themselves," in ways that puts that viewpoints in game experience at risk. We have Augmented AF, which can be dyed a different color than the original. We have all kinds of glamour gear where people can dress themselves in a purely ridiculous manner. If people want to play with no visible armor at all, there's that option as well. We even have class specific gear that already contradicts the classic aesthetic definition of the classic stereotypes of that particular role.

I believe this is one of the reasons why some people want to keep the job locked gear restricted. Since SE has made other concessions that puts that viewpoint at risk, as you said, and they wish to at least keep some things intact. So I don't see it as very puzzling seems kind of a natural response since they see lore taking a back seat more and more often when it comes to gear. You get worried where they are going to stop so you post your disagreement to this thread's idea in order to make sure SE sees that some people want to keep some traditions.

Oh, and just so we're clear, 10% selfish is still selfish.

Well this is why I said most people, I hope, try not to be selfish even if it is something humans suffer from a lot. What does calling both sides selfish actually accomplish though? To me it doesn't seem to add to the discussion at all. Which is why I asked you why you felt the need to make the blanket statement you made.

Not everyone only thinks about their own personal experience no matter how much you want to claim it. I personally care about what other people want in this game otherwise I would never have thought of a compromise in the first place. Why would I bother if I didn't care about what they want? Others on both sides have also done the same thing. Do they still only care about their own experiences? I don't think so.

Some people also care about the game image as well not only their personal desires. You can call the 10% compromise '10% selfish still' all you want it doesn't really mean anything to the discussion O.o It is just a compromise that I thought of. So I am not sure what kind of point you are trying to make.

I don't see what one person chooses to do in this game affects anyone else's experience at all. Of all the things that could and should be changed, improved and/or preserved in this game, I really don't see how allowing people to dress how they like, especially if they went to the effort to earn those gear pieces, as that much of a problem. Of course, that's just my opinion.

If we look back at something you said earlier...

People do play this game for a wide variety of reasons, and I feel that there should be more options implemented to cater those varying playstyles.

So we need to cater to a large variety of players yes? So...what about players who wish to keep some gear that follows tradition or lore because they like having something unique to wear on that job they love? Removing restrictions on all gear in the game does not cater to both player types. It caters to people who like to have all gear unrestricted while not catering to people who like having some traditional, restricted, and unique to the job gear. So only one side of the gear debate gets catered to with this solution.

So to me I am confused on how you really feel about this because some things you said seem to contradict others. If we put those two quotes together its like you are saying 'We have many different kinds of players and we need to cater to varying playstyles, but if I don't see it as a problem personally then it is okay to remove everything from one playstyle to cater to the other'?

If that is your opinion then that's fine, you're entitled to it. I just don't personally understand it.

[Alacran]

You don't understand what I said at all...and it seems you don't understand why the mentality of what Zojha posted was selfish (notice I said the mentality of their words, not that they themselves are selfish)..so I'll explain...

As i read this, i imagined your character speaking with them in this small quiet voice secretly smiling inward as their face scowled at all the times they contradicted themselves...

[Miste]

As i read this, i imagined your character speaking with them in this small quiet voice secretly smiling inward as their face scowled at all the times they contradicted themselves...

O.u

Nah I don't smile like that even if someone contradicts themselves. I would feel like I was looking down on them for it if I did that so I would feel bad :/.

Contradictions happen a lot without people realizing it. The main reason though is I might have misunderstood what they wrote that caused me to think it was a contradiction anyway; so smiling about it doesn't really occur to me. Sometimes you really have to think about what you are writing though which is hard sometimes ><

I do have a pretty quiet voice though

Edit: ...although maybe its my character who is evil o.o but but...she doesn't look evil...I hope lol

[Felis]

Make it like during 1.0
During 1.0 it was possible to wear anything, but there was a stat penalty if wearing a gear not fitting for the class.
The devs can do that we can glamour everything, but the glamour will give a stat penalty if used on a not fitting job/class.