Please lift glamour restrictions!

[DarkDedede]

What is this? ^ ...Why would you try to attach your personal beliefs onto others :/ How do I even interpret this in a good way? It's like you are saying "I am selfish, so you all must be selfish too, don't try to lie about it."

Allow me to clarify then. The way I see it, there are two "sides" to this "argument."

One "side" is pretty much like "I want to dress how I like. If I play two jobs, and want to express myself as a hybrid as both jobs, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to express myself as such. Customization and personal expression is fun. Please devs, allow me to this type of expression to be less restrictive."

The other "side" is pretty much like "I like the way I view this in game world. I like how the themes are crafted in this in game world. If other people to not conform to these conventions, even if I do not see them, and even if it is already somewhat allowed, it risks ruining the immersive experience that I personally have in this in game world."

Two view points. Two preferences. Both I respect. However both these viewpoints, and all other viewpoints in-between, are all primarily based on one's personal desires for their own in game experience. The problem that I have with a certain perspective of a certain viewpoint is that it basically boils down to not wanting other players to have fun because it risks ruining a certain own perception of fun and immersion. Therefore they would rather restrictions be imposed on what other players can do, which happens to be a purely aesthetic sense, to preserve their own sense of their own personal in game experience.

What's even more puzzling is that the game already has avenues in place, for everyone to "express themselves," in ways that puts that viewpoints in game experience at risk. We have Augmented AF, which can be dyed a different color than the original. We have all kinds of glamour gear where people can dress themselves in a purely ridiculous manner. If people want to play with no visible armor at all, there's that option as well. We even have class specific gear that already contradicts the classic aesthetic definition of the classic stereotypes of that particular role.

Oh, and just so we're clear, 10% selfish is still selfish. I don't see what one person chooses to do in this game affects anyone else's experience at all. Of all the things that could and should be changed, improved and/or preserved in this game, I really don't see how allowing people to dress how they like, especially if they went to the effort to earn those gear pieces, as that much of a problem. Of course, that's just my opinion.

[Miste]

What's even more puzzling is that the game already has avenues in place, for everyone to "express themselves," in ways that puts that viewpoints in game experience at risk. We have Augmented AF, which can be dyed a different color than the original. We have all kinds of glamour gear where people can dress themselves in a purely ridiculous manner. If people want to play with no visible armor at all, there's that option as well. We even have class specific gear that already contradicts the classic aesthetic definition of the classic stereotypes of that particular role.

I believe this is one of the reasons why some people want to keep the job locked gear restricted. Since SE has made other concessions that puts that viewpoint at risk, as you said, and they wish to at least keep some things intact. So I don't see it as very puzzling seems kind of a natural response since they see lore taking a back seat more and more often when it comes to gear. You get worried where they are going to stop so you post your disagreement to this thread's idea in order to make sure SE sees that some people want to keep some traditions.

Oh, and just so we're clear, 10% selfish is still selfish.

Well this is why I said most people, I hope, try not to be selfish even if it is something humans suffer from a lot. What does calling both sides selfish actually accomplish though? To me it doesn't seem to add to the discussion at all. Which is why I asked you why you felt the need to make the blanket statement you made.

Not everyone only thinks about their own personal experience no matter how much you want to claim it. I personally care about what other people want in this game otherwise I would never have thought of a compromise in the first place. Why would I bother if I didn't care about what they want? Others on both sides have also done the same thing. Do they still only care about their own experiences? I don't think so.

Some people also care about the game image as well not only their personal desires. You can call the 10% compromise '10% selfish still' all you want it doesn't really mean anything to the discussion O.o It is just a compromise that I thought of. So I am not sure what kind of point you are trying to make.

I don't see what one person chooses to do in this game affects anyone else's experience at all. Of all the things that could and should be changed, improved and/or preserved in this game, I really don't see how allowing people to dress how they like, especially if they went to the effort to earn those gear pieces, as that much of a problem. Of course, that's just my opinion.

If we look back at something you said earlier...

People do play this game for a wide variety of reasons, and I feel that there should be more options implemented to cater those varying playstyles.

So we need to cater to a large variety of players yes? So...what about players who wish to keep some gear that follows tradition or lore because they like having something unique to wear on that job they love? Removing restrictions on all gear in the game does not cater to both player types. It caters to people who like to have all gear unrestricted while not catering to people who like having some traditional, restricted, and unique to the job gear. So only one side of the gear debate gets catered to with this solution.

So to me I am confused on how you really feel about this because some things you said seem to contradict others. If we put those two quotes together its like you are saying 'We have many different kinds of players and we need to cater to varying playstyles, but if I don't see it as a problem personally then it is okay to remove everything from one playstyle to cater to the other'?

If that is your opinion then that's fine, you're entitled to it. I just don't personally understand it.