Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

[Rivxkobe]

While I appreciate that some instances can be annoying, I see alot of posts here just moaning about other people and how other people like to play their game. Does a social, multiplayer game, that has different people on it, actually suit you people or would a game with robotic npcs suit you better that always play the same way, YOUR WAY. In life there are always people that do things differently to how you would like them too, if your are always going to rage every time someone doesnt do things the way you think they should then your in for a lifetime of self perpuating rages. Instead I really do think the game would be a happier environment if people were more tolerent of how people want to play. I pay for my subscription the same as anyone else I object to anyone telling me how to enjoy myself. I f I was kicked out of an instance for not playing someone else's way then they would be reported.

I'm sorry but no.

If, for example, someone is running MCH and they never use Reload because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them out on it.
If, for example, a healer sits in CS all day and never DPSes and only heals because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them out on it.
If, for example, a PLD Spams Shield Lob on enemies and wears DEX equipment because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them on it.
If, for example, a BLM spams only Ice Magic and uses Blizz2 without moving to enemies because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them on it.

This is a team game, and a game where every class has a set of skills that work, mostly, well together. And being lazy or wanting to be "different" doesn't make you immune to being called on your bad DPS, your bad decisions and your bad choices.

[Feyona]

I'm sorry but no.


If, for example, a PLD Spams Shield Lob on enemies and wears DEX equipment because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them on it.
If, for example, a BLM spams only Ice Magic and uses Blizz2 without moving to enemies because "that's how I play" then I'm going to call them on it.

This is a team game, and a game where every class has a set of skills that work, mostly, well together. And being lazy or wanting to be "different" doesn't make you immune to being called on your bad DPS, your bad decisions and your bad choices.

This is not about someone not being a team player this is more about someone maybe believing they are there to heal, because they are a healer and despite people only valuing dps, the game does still need healers. And some dont even know how to stance dance, they may be still learning the game. Your view does not allow for this.

[Taika]

This is not about someone not being a team player this is more about someone maybe believing they are there to heal, because they are a healer and despite people only valuing dps, the game does still need healers.

It absolutely is about being a team player. No fight in this game requires a healer who is only there to heal, and believing that is simply false. And since that is not needed - just like joining a fight as BRD to only sing and not do any DPS because they believe they are there to sing and only that - doing that means being a bad team player. However, it's a different matter when someone is trying and learning to be a good team player by playing their job optimally, but they still need more practice and experience of the fight. What people are opposed to is someone intentionally refusing to use their helpful abilities to support their team because of their personal beliefs or whatever.

[Feyona]

It absolutely is about being a team player. No fight in this game requires a healer who is only there to heal, and believing that is simply false. And since that is not needed - just like joining a fight as BRD to only sing and not do any DPS because they believe they are there to sing and only that - doing that means being a bad team player. However, it's a different matter when someone is trying and learning to be a good team player by playing their job optimally, but they still need more practice and experience of the fight. What people are opposed to is someone intentionally refusing to use their helpful abilities to support their team because of their personal beliefs or whatever.

How do you know if someone isnt trying? How far does this go? Thats why there are rules inplace in the game meant to stop people being treated badly. Otherwise some of us wouldnt be allowed in game content at all if it was up to you to decide.

[Taika]

How do you know if someone isnt trying?

It's self-evident, isn't it? If someone refuses to communicate at all or directly says they are refusing to do something, then they are not trying. If they say "I'm new to this but I'll do my best", they're obviously trying.

[Cynfael]

This is not about someone not being a team player this is more about someone maybe believing they are there to heal, because they are a healer and despite people only valuing dps, the game does still need healers. And some dont even know how to stance dance, they may be still learning the game. Your view does not allow for this.

The part that you seem to be missing is that idle healers are a detriment to the party. What they believe doesn't matter.

Time and again, we (collectively, as proponents of active and engaged healer gameplay) have expressly stated that players who are learning how to play healers and/or are learning specific encounters or mechanics are not reasonably expected to stance-dance like pros from the start. Likewise, players who are in the position of having to use more healing actions due to issues with the party and/or an unusually high healing requirement are not expected to DPS to the detriment of healing. This expectation to contribute fully applies to players who generally know what they are doing and suffer either from a skewed sense of entitlement or a lack of will to do more than the absolute minimum necessary while the rest of the party does the work.

[Feyona]

The part that you seem to be missing is that idle healers are a detriment to the party. What they believe doesn't matter.

Time and again, we (collectively, as proponents of active and engaged healer gameplay) have expressly stated that players who are learning how to play healers and/or are learning specific encounters or mechanics are not reasonably expected to stance-dance like pros from the start. Likewise, players who are in the position of having to use more healing actions due to issues with the party and/or an unusually high healing requirement are not expected to DPS to the detriment of healing. .

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

[Rivxkobe]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

We are not intolerant. Again if someone is learning or trying then fine. But if they are deliberately doing less because they want to they are being inconsiderate and selfish.

[Cynfael]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

I challenge you to prove how I am creating this intolerant environment. Even if you were somehow able to monitor my gameplay in parties, you would see that I never harass other players over their playstyle "choices" and make suggestions only when they are causing a real problem. Also, if we were to avoid having discussions like these simply for fear of creating an intolerant environment for some participants, we would discuss basically nothing at all.

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.

[Feyona]

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.[/QUOTE] The point is that not everyone understands that some people take your points only that every healer has to dps or they are useless. I also keep saying that not everyone can, even if they try. When I started this game it was my understanding that my job was to heal. It took a while for me to realize that I was supposed to dps. Then I had to learn the safe windows. Not everyone knows what they are supposed to be doing. But others could automatically think that ahealer is lazy if they dont. Its not you but the expectation, that your comments create