Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Naunet]

Why should jobs have unique glamours? Can you answer that question without effectively just saying "because they should", in a way that isn't contradicted by gear already present in the game?

I mean, my character in the main story has been referred to as both Azure Dragoon, a capable white mage, recognized as knowledgeable in black magic, and more. Why would she suddenly forget how to wear an article of clothing because she picked up one weapon or another?

And that's beside the fact that I think glamour (as in all character customization) needs to step away from restricting players and just let folk do what they want. It's no fun only being able to make an outfit out of the same highly limited set of items as every other Scholar or whatever.

[GMERC]

Why should jobs have unique glamours? Can you answer that question without effectively just saying "because they should", in a way that isn't contradicted by gear already present in the game?

I mean, my character in the main story has been referred to as both Azure Dragoon, a capable white mage, recognized as knowledgeable in black magic, and more. Why would she suddenly forget how to wear an article of clothing because she picked up one weapon or another?

And that's beside the fact that I think glamour (as in all character customization) needs to step away from restricting players and just let folk do what they want. It's no fun only being able to make an outfit out of the same highly limited set of items as every other Scholar or whatever.

Well, in that case, I should be able to equip any weapon as any job!! And use all of my job's abilities at once!! Why should I suddenly forget how to cast White Magic just because I picked up a Greatsword????? Well why can't I have Garuda-Egi out as a Black Mage, huh!? Why is my level lower when I equip a job that's lower than my main? Shouldn't they all be level 60, since I've already gotten to level 60 before? Gee Square Enix, talk about a bad game design!!

[Mimilu]

Well, in that case, I should be able to equip any weapon as any job!! And use all of my job's abilities at once!! Why should I suddenly forget how to cast White Magic just because I picked up a Greatsword????? Well why can't I have Garuda-Egi out as a Black Mage, huh!? Why is my level lower when I equip a job that's lower than my main? Shouldn't they all be level 60, since I've already gotten to level 60 before? Gee Square Enix, talk about a bad game design!!

Hyperbole doesn't win arguments and makes your argument look silly >w>
Take a chill pill, brah, it's glamour. B-D

[GMERC]

Hyperbole doesn't win arguments and makes your argument look silly >w>
Take a chill pill, brah, it's glamour. B-D

The moment the "why can't my character equip this other job's item? it's just a shirt after all!!" argument came out we had already passed the point of no return. The moment someone starts pushing that silliness the discussion is basically over, because it becomes a discussion about "why should RPG mechanics exist? that's not realistic!!"

[StarRosie]

The moment the "why can't my character equip this other job's item? it's just a shirt after all!!" argument came out we had already passed the point of no return.

Says who? You? I'm sorry, didn't know you were a moderator or some grandmaster who decides where the point of no return is. In my opinion, the point has some validity, the jobs do lose some of their exclusivity and uniqueness when you can just have ALL of them on a single character. Now there are parts of the argument I disagree with but that's a whole different thing. But this comes back to the whole "contribute to the conversation." thing. You seem to be trying to end the conversation rather then contribute to it or have a discussion (That thing these forums are for.).

That's how I also partially agree with the glamour reestrictions removal. Keeping them to these sets (tomestones, raids, AF) that give the job their identity is one thing, but dungeons drops look kinda generic and should be available for all jobs. They are also nice looking pieces.

I agree. I was actually looking forward to getting the Woad set for my WAR. It seemed like the perfect set for it but then I noticed the tank set has this stupid shoulder pad thing that obstructs the tattoo all the other Woad sets get. Which is odd since Broken Mountain (The HW mentor for WAR.) is wearing the Woad set without the shoulder pad. So it's a little weird...

[Nirokun]

Says who? You? I'm sorry, didn't know you were a moderator or some grandmaster who decides where the point of no return is. In my opinion, the point has some validity, the jobs do lose some of their exclusivity and uniqueness when you can just have ALL of them on a single character. Now there are parts of the argument I disagree with but that's a whole different thing. But this comes back to the whole "contribute to the conversation." thing. You seem to be trying to end the conversation rather then contribute to it or have a discussion (That thing these forums are for.).

It would be more constructive to request a similar item in the existing glamour gear request thread, than to re-write the established game lore because you want a glamour. If you want one-legged pants, ask for that and see where it takes you.

Personally, I'd rather there be more restrictions on what you can glamour (bikinis in dungeons is dumb, imo).

[StarRosie]

It would be more constructive to request a similar item in the existing glamour gear request thread, than to re-write the established game lore because you want a glamour. If you want one-legged pants, ask for that and see where it takes you.

Personally, I'd rather there be more restrictions on what you can glamour (bikinis in dungeons is dumb, imo).

Agreed, though I was merely using the BRD pants as an overall example. I still agree that a job's artifact gear should remain exclusive to them. I'm just also giving arguments for both sides really cause I enjoy discussion.

(Also yeah, the bikini thing is kinda derp.)

[Nestama]

Honestly, the glamour restriction is kinda pointless at this point. Tanks have always been able to wear cowls, robes and such to look like a (low level) mage. Heck, the Halloween event from two years ago rewarded us with gear that is very Black Mage-like in design.

Mages, on the other hand... we can't even wear harnesses or subligars :T

[Mimilu]

The moment the "why can't my character equip this other job's item? it's just a shirt after all!!" argument came out we had already passed the point of no return. The moment someone starts pushing that silliness the discussion is basically over, because it becomes a discussion about "why should RPG mechanics exist? that's not realistic!!"

Except no one here has said anything about any of that...
They only said they would like to wear a pair of boots and a jacket using a system that already lets you make armor look like a bikini.
There may be a few people who can snowball and ask for such things but they are few and will usually fade away if you just ignore them. :-B

[MaikoRaines]

Well, in that case, I should be able to equip any weapon as any job!! And use all of my job's abilities at once!! Why should I suddenly forget how to cast White Magic just because I picked up a Greatsword????? Well why can't I have Garuda-Egi out as a Black Mage, huh!? Why is my level lower when I equip a job that's lower than my main? Shouldn't they all be level 60, since I've already gotten to level 60 before? Gee Square Enix, talk about a bad game design!!

You must of not been around in 1.0 where with the exception of the main weapon, you could basically equip any piece of gear you could get your hands on. Also, are you twelve or something? Why are you so angry? Eat a Snickers bro.

You're blowing it a bit out of proportion. All the OP is suggesting is glamour gear, not weapons. Not sure why their opinion should trigger you so much. You want to add a stupid little fish.jpg, be insulting and blow it all out of proportion with the "while we're at its" and the mocking of others (EG: w-well) just to fuel your side of the argument, then you didn't have much to contribute to, much less be constructive and civil.