Why people hate bard using songs?

[Maero]

Ninja also benefits from Foe Requiem, not as much as casters mind you

[vp_cmc]

Sometimes healers ask for mp turret (you have to summon other turret and then press "promotion". It takes some time, and you're not dpsing while doing this) and 5 seconds later say "ok, now I don't need it, thanks"... It's slightly easier for brd in this case, but for mch my turret is even still on CD. And for some reason this often happens when Hypercharge is ready to be used (and it gets delayed, that throws off all cd timings synergy).

[HyoMinPark]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.

Warden's lasts for 30 seconds, but I personally don't throw it on a WAR pre pull. I ether watch for them to use Berserk, wait for the incessant and annoying macro spam that alerts me every five seconds of their impending pacification, or, if I'm running with someone in the FC, just toss it on them when they tell me "Warden's please." Unless you open with Berserk, not much reason to throw it on pre-pull or at pull, but I suppose they're just trying to be helpful.

[ShaneDawn]

Is there a time and place for all songs? Yes. Should MP/TP songs be sang outside necessity? No.


Most of the time, people are expecting you to sing Foe's Requiem, as it makes all runs with any caster DPS faster. While people don't expect you to use Warden's Paean most of the times, keeping an eye out for your WAR's Berserk buff or any nasty ailments is generally a good thing to do.

However, in most non-savage content you will almost never need to sing MP/TP, unless your party is really struggling. Such situations usually occur in runs with a lot of deaths, resulting in a possible starvation of TP/MP. While singing TP/MP is by itself not a malign thing to do, using it at the wrong time is generally detrimental for your run speed. Some healers also take it as a general vote of distrust if you sing mana when they have everything under control.

I would advice not to let it get to you too much; just learn the situations, where using TP/MP songs really matter, and outside that stick with Foe's Requiem, Warden's Paean and Swiftsong. As a tip, a generally good position to sing mana/tp if necessary is during downtime where you won't be able to DPS anyway, like the part flying the Cruise Chaser or Alex Prime before he casts his ultimate. You can also sing TP/MP between pulls if your healers go ham with holies or something, but it's usually better to Swiftsong and regenerate mana for the next Foe's.

[Renius]

Foe is about the only song I really use the most. The others are very situational and simply put when you have properly geared group and people that know how to play their roles you will never need them.

[Cynfael]

Is there a time and place for all songs? Yes. Should MP/TP songs be sang outside necessity? No.


Most of the time, people are expecting you to sing Foe's Requiem, as it makes all runs with any caster DPS faster. While people don't expect you to use Warden's Paean most of the times, keeping an eye out for your WAR's Berserk buff or any nasty ailments is generally a good thing to do.

However, in most non-savage content you will almost never need to sing MP/TP, unless your party is really struggling. Such situations usually occur in runs with a lot of deaths, resulting in a possible starvation of TP/MP. While singing TP/MP is by itself not a malign thing to do, using it at the wrong time is generally detrimental for your run speed. Some healers also take it as a general vote of distrust if you sing mana when they have everything under control.

I would advice not to let it get to you too much; just learn the situations, where using TP/MP songs really matter, and outside that stick with Foe's Requiem, Warden's Paean and Swiftsong. As a tip, a generally hood position to sing mana/tp if necessary is during downtime where you won't be DPS anyway, like the part flying the Cruise Chaser or Alex Prime before he casts his ultimate. You can also sing TP/MP between pulls if your healers go ham with holies or something, but it's usually better to Swiftsong and regerate mana for the next Foe's.

Foe is about the only song I really use the most. The others are very situational and simply put when you have properly geared group and people that know how to play their roles you will never need them.

Agreed and agreed.

In casual play I pretty much expect to see only Foe unless there's an actual need to play Paeon after a pull. Too many bards hoard their MP as if they had something else to do with it, and it kills me as a healer not to have Foe.

Does your party have a healer? Foe.
Does your party have a caster? Foe.
Does your party have a DRK? Foe for their spells.
Does your party have a NIN? Foe for their mudras.

If the question is Foe, the answer is almost always yes.

[AlexanderTheHair]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.

Pre-pull is from when it had an actual cast time the old opener was precast wardens->precast foes->buffs into pull, you ccould safely use it on the warrior at the start because if the warrior is pulling or there is a ninja the warrior should be using berserk 2 gcds in (right before eye).

Now you don't have to worry about precasting it since it's instant ogcd but for things like expert they are probably assuming you're going to do the pulling opener so they just throw it on. I've noticed while using my warrior some bards like to just use it off cooldown, they will catch all of the berserks if used off cd by doing that and then they don't have to worry about trying to watch the warrior

[bardaboo]

Dear Undead. It might help you understand why players don't want you singing those songs if you become more familiar with the jobs they are playing. Most jobs have their own skills designed to refresh their mp or tp. For example if a healer is dpsing they would prefer you playing foes. All healers have their own mp recovery tools, so unless they are forced to raise party members they are intending to refresh their own mp. Melee dps also have tp refresh tools. You're doing good paying attention to party needs though ^^

[RiisWolf]

Cause instead of pushing their DPS so that they need you, your MIN/MAX perp only wants you to fluff the ONE mage and two weak healers' numbers, as all of DPS hold back, sabotaging their full potential. It makes you question why are you a bard if numbers is all they want. Just go DRG, MNK, NIN, MCH, or maybe even a BLM. DRG and MNK will bring up more damage than the BRD wasting their time singing for what little the BLM and healers will do easily. Still wanna buff party damage? Then not only are they stronger but DRG, NIN and MCH can do that for everybody, plus MCH requires no cast times to use their buffs. =D

And don't bring up this 'oh foe can increase magic damage by 10%' mess, you know those bosses force you to not attack them on and off excessively with the exception of A9S. Healers if they even do tend to the actual healing part have their primary responsibilities getting in the way of dealing damage in addition to being overall weaker to begin with. So when you do the math, you can make up for that by bringing someone significantly stronger along, especially if ya'll eliminated the need for TP/MP songs in even T9S.

That's the only reason. I trending mob of MIN/MAXer's who will do everything in their power to avoid you using your TP or MP restores even if it means never pushing their DPS as far as they can go.

[Chevronone]

Cause instead of pushing their DPS so that they need you, your MIN/MAX perp only wants you to fluff the ONE mage and two weak healers numbers, as all of DPS hold back, sabotaging their full potential. It makes you question why are you a bard if numbers is all they want. Just go DRG, MNK, NIN, MCH, or maybe even a BLM. DRG and MNK will bring up more damage than the BRD wasting their time singing for what little the BLM and healers will do easily. Still wanna buff party damage? Then not only are they stronger but DRG, NIN and MCH can do that for everybody, plus MCH requires no cast times to use their buffs.

And don't bring up this oh foe can increase magic damage by 10%mess

1.) Some of the top parses for current Savage tier are bards.

2.) If party is caster heavy, bard>mch. Mch only buffs melee 10% every 2m for 20s. Bard buffs casters 10% for the duration of their MP (approx 1m 15s) and by 20% every 180s for 30s.

Try again.