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  1. #21
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    Anzuul's Avatar
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    Anzuul Hin'ode
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    Like I said in another topic : Healers who only heal rarely have a higher reactivity. I heal and I DPS. And I perfectly know when to stop using cleric and keep my tetra to save the dps targeted by the prey. And it's not the case of every healer healing only !
    Healing only doesn't make you a better healer, neither do DPSing as a healer when you don't have to. Being a good healer is knowing your ABC "Always be Casting" and use your GCD appropriately. Heal when NEEDED. Dps when no heal has to be done.
    Healer is the role with the biggest influence.
    Know the fight and you'll start to be a good healer.

    Don't blame our dps if you don't even know how to handle it properly.
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  2. #22
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by caelumsixsmith View Post
    That's what happens when people say a healer's priority is DPS.
    But again, no one is saying DPS is the top priority for a healer. What people are saying is, healers should avoid 1. excessive overhealing and 2. doing nothing, and DPS is what a healer should be doing instead of these two after fulfilling the healing requirements. People also say that knowing the fight is the key to healer DPS: with experience a healer knows when it's safe to DPS and when one should focus on healing. This is what's being promoted, not "focus solely on DPS and drop all healing", which is why the argument you too are presenting is a strawman.
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  3. #23
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    But again, no one is saying DPS is the top priority for a healer.
    From what I've been reading on the forums though, that's exactly what is being suggested though, that any healer that heals first and dpses second should move to a different game.
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  4. #24
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    MeridaQ's Avatar
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    Merida Quigg
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    Ultros
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    Culinarian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    From what I've been reading on the forums though, that's exactly what is being suggested though, that any healer that heals first and dpses second should move to a different game.
    Well that's wrong, keeping your party alive is more important than DPS. Once you are good on the first then DPS. Once you get more experience with the fight you can increase your DPS. I don't know where people are saying that, from what I have seen it's "healer doing nothing but casting a heal every 30s when they could toss out some DPS" is the predominant complaint. People saying healer DPS is priority might just be trolling. If we want to play a blame game, review previous comment on this thread. Either way have fun do your best if you need help ask! There are a lot of helpful people.
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  5. #25
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    Keisero Starborn
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    From what I've been reading on the forums though, that's exactly what is being suggested though, that any healer that heals first and dpses second should move to a different game.
    Basic common sense suggests against this. If the actual DPS jobs aren't alive then the overall DPS of the run goes to shit. Please point us to any post that anyone has made that claims that healers should let their teams die so they can get more personal damage out. Literally any post.
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  6. #26
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    Erilsa Leadleaf
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    I've made it a habit to announce "Prey Optical incoming" after the blassty charge now as the deaths around this part are becoming too consistent. As said before this is the only healer check seen outside of Ex Savage and it still manages to knock people off guard, 0dps healers included.
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  7. #27
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    Shirayuki Kova
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    Tonberry
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    Dragoon Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Culfinrandir View Post
    It's what happens when everyone insists that DPS is the pinnacle of game play & healing comes second. If healers were encouraged to mainly heal, rather than DPS, I guess they'd spend more time looking at the friend's health rather than the foe's.
    Not even bro, don't try to push that crappy agenda here. Those 100% healers who cast 1 spell per minute will be just as bad or worse.
    And no, DPS is not the pinnacle of gaming. Knowing what to do at a moment in time and maintaining GCD-time efficiency is the pinnacle of gaming.
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    Last edited by CookieMonsta; 12-28-2016 at 04:33 PM.

  8. #28
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    Thrivaios's Avatar
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    Telesforos Thrivaios
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I've run this fight more times than I can count (I'm looking at you, Alexandrian Spring) and I couldn't agree more. I admit freely to not always being 100% ready for prey if I haven't run it in a while. Am I a perfect healer? By no means. But as others have said, if you do a good job regularly checking your party list and debuff bar then you should at the very least anticipate and save your CDs accordingly. It's like A12, too: you do it enough and it should become part of your rhythm.

    I don't know what's causing people to NOT heal through it properly (to return to the original point of the post) but I've been noticing this every so often in 8 man content. I make it a habit to check my cohealer's gear and health and lately I've been noting a lot of really odd compositions (mixes of anywhere from 200-260 on a single character). I've also been seeing people not properly cleansing the confusion debuff in A11, or the bleeds you get during Mhach. Maybe Alts from potd runs?
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  9. #29
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    Thoro Heavypunch
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    Phoenix
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    Monk Lv 60
    Most of the times, Heal-only healers have the reaction of a slug, since they are so used to watching the paint dry while doing absolutely nothing except a cure per minute.
    And when suddenly a more demanding mechanic like A11N prey appears, that actually needs a better healer coordination than 1 cure per minute, they are more often than not, frankly overwhelmed.

    The prey doesnt even need a shield, even a timed cure + ogcd heal like tetra is more often than not more than enough.
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    Last edited by Thoro39; 12-28-2016 at 05:32 PM.

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    Triptolemus Zaels
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Gordias Savage and it continued to perpetuate as healers rarely had to deal with things like photon, hellwind, and that prey. All any healer needs to do is heal them but NOPE gotta keep attacking, gotta keep teetering at the edge of failure, or pretend it's the baby damage Gordias Savage babied healers with, enabling them to get away with attacking almost if not just plain all of the time, then they wonder why things are going slow when the going gets tough.
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