Quote Originally Posted by Frowny View Post
Not savage levels, but take WC. There's the point on the 2nd boss when the MT is almost dead. Benediction/Essential Dignity will top em off. I STILL see this cause chaos.

We don't need savage levels of hard, but we need to take the training wheels off. Casual should not be an excuse for auto-pilot.
Exactly!

People continuous to misconstrued these two factors. There is a middle ground between brain dead easy and savage. I mean, you could even build around extreme primals as a template. There just needs to be something that actually requires effort, lest the game suffer for it in the long run. I want to feel like a tank whenever I run a dungeon. I want to actual heal in said dungeon. Right now? If I don't pull the entire room, I may as well remove my defensive cooldowns from my bar unless I get some truly awful players. Friends and I are even planning a no healer run of Xelphatol and GGL just to see how absurdly easy it actually is. That shouldn't be remotely possible yet I think even a Dark Knight can pull it off and they don't have good self healing against bosses.