[Personal Opinion] FFXIV is too casual friendly

[Frowny]

Filthy elitist logic needs to stay out of our mmo.

As do braindead players. Sick of carrying them in A12 NORMAL. You know, the easier one which is challenging but pretty easy after 1-2 clears yet people still fail like it is day 1?

[Fawkes]

Wow this thread is only a month old and I find myself going through it and flipping my likes from the casual friendly posts to the more anti-casual posts. The jump potion announcement and red mage starting at 50 have apparently made me detest a certain portion of this games players.

[ErikMynhier]

And yet casual players vastly outnumber hardcore players in numbers, subs, and cash shop purchases. Why again would a business bow to hardcore players? Surely it would be corporate suicide to ignore the wishes of its majority customer base to make a vocal minority happy.


Edit: I'm not downing the OP's position. I'm just pointing out some reality in business.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And yet casual players vastly outnumber hardcore players in numbers, subs, and cash shop purchases. Why again would a business bow to hardcore players? Surely it would be corporate suicide to ignore the wishes of its majority customer base to make a vocal minority happy.

Edit: I'm not downing the OP's position. I'm just pointing out some reality in business.

This is a frequent misconception. First and foremost, casual players do not necessarily want brain dead content anymore than hardcore players do. A well designed dungeon can be challenging yet still only take 15-20 minutes or less. Nonetheless, you're forgetting the midcore playerbase-- to which XIV actually has a substantial amount. Case in point, over 200,000 players participated in The Creator Savage. Plenty of yet to clear it, but the fact many are even attempting shows just how large that playerbase is. If we then consider Lucky Bancho's unofficial census on active players bring approximated at just shy of 500,000. The midcore and hardcore combined for almost half. None of this even accounts for players who quit-- sub numbers have consistently declined over the past year -- or the casual crowd who do want harder content, but aren't interested in a Savage equivalent. All said, it's not quite the minority.

[Frowny]

And yet casual players vastly outnumber hardcore players in numbers, subs, and cash shop purchases.

Been repeated many times (that horse is very tender now): we're not saying make everything Savage level. Things don't need to be in extremes, I'm still confused as to why people keep thinking it has to be one extreme or another.

And Bourne nailed it... midcore is the largest group, not casual players.

[NolLacnala]

And yet casual players vastly outnumber hardcore players in numbers, subs, and cash shop purchases. Why again would a business bow to hardcore players? Surely it would be corporate suicide to ignore the wishes of its majority customer base to make a vocal minority happy.


Edit: I'm not downing the OP's position. I'm just pointing out some reality in business.

Oh, you want reality? How about making the game cater to only casuals and bleeding out 60% of the playerbase because the game goes fully brain dead? Seven MILLION lost subs. But be sure to not learn from history.

[EponaTBHSMH]

Been repeated many times (that horse is very tender now): we're not saying make everything Savage level. Things don't need to be in extremes, I'm still confused as to why people keep thinking it has to be one extreme or another.

And Bourne nailed it... midcore is the largest group, not casual players.

From the current content that is in the game, what would you say is the closest to fit the midcore crowd, if savage is considered extreme?

[Frowny]

From the current content that is in the game, what would you say is the closest to fit the midcore crowd, if savage is considered extreme?

WC, without question. Or even A12N. Difficult to a degree, but not crazy difficult.

[PondHollow]

As do braindead players. Sick of carrying them in A12 NORMAL. You know, the easier one which is challenging but pretty easy after 1-2 clears yet people still fail like it is day 1?

It seems you're just resisting what's right in front of your eyes. As you must have observed, to many, A11N and A12N are more than a little outside of casual. They make people rage-quit. There's your calibration for you. Take it.

Complaining that the playerbase is bad -and I think the quoted is far more honest about it than any idea that the game is too friendly to casuals- is not productive and you may benefit from finding a different entertainment platform with a gaming cohort up to your expectations. Good luck with your search!

[Zojha]

Case in point, over 200,000 players participated in The Creator Savage.

I hope you didn't take that number from this redditor;
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._2016/dbf0n5i/
Because he already corrected himself there.

(Not that a participation metric as such isn't shady enough - When Feast and Lord of Verminion first came out, they had a pretty good participation, too. Nowadays however...)