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  1. #931
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    These are not synonymous nor is someone who wants to skip the story necessarily lazy.
    I never said they were. I'm saying that people who aren't lazy will go and do older content to practice if they need it. Thus, new content should not be tuned for "New" players who skipped right to it. Is this what is going to happen? I should hope not. I'm simply cautioning against behaviors and attitudes which would make such a route permissible.
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  2. #932
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    Simple - just don't call them Warriors of Light and we all get to keep our little club of elites...life is good.
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  3. #933
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhaneX View Post
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    There is an inherent risk in anything they implement.
    The thing with Innovation in MMOs is that you need to first have something solid and stable that works before trying new things, in case that thing blows up. They have already tried repeatedly to make new things and some of those blew up in their face. Imagine if the game was about Verminion, Chocobo Race and Diadem, and we didn't have Chloe, TT or POTD. All 6 are 'new' systems to the game and funny enough the ones that 'worked' are the the least innovative. Enjoyable is very subjective to quantify without having raw data to analyze.

    These potions not only offer a quick solution to a problem that's ever increasing, it also positively impacts their revenue for very little development time (compared to the alternative) allowing them to both invest more time and potentially more revenue back into other content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Unfortunately, XIV maintained an archaic progression system virtually every other MMO has done away with in recent years.
    You mean the story/MSQ right? Not sure what other MMO had something like that. TBH, I might be in the minority but this, and the way they handle their lore is what drew me to this game in the first place. It's also what pissed me off about WoW and Blizzard's habit of retconing the lore every other patch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    The difficulty of new content has no bearing on a jump potion being implemented. Those who skip will have to adjust just like everyone else.
    Not if they start complaining. There will be new people, they will use the potion and they will complain that they have no idea what they're doing. And Square will probably make easier content. It's how you attract customers. Why do you think WoW has so many subs still?
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  5. #935
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhaneX View Post
    The newest stuff should be kept at a level consist with the difficulty players are used to in the immediately preceding content or higher[...]
    So...Xelphatol.

    I dare say, it doesn't take "Jump-Newbies" to keep the difficulty low.
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  6. #936
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowny View Post
    Just because YOU enjoy something, doesn't mean others will.
    Your argument is poorly presented and your logic is flawed. The fact you have to capitalize words in your sentence shits me to tears.

    I raised other points passed the story. As I stated previously if SE believe that the content that is currently in the game is inhibiting new players from subscribing then giving them on option to skip the content is not the solution. The fundamental reason that this is being introduced in the first place is because they are hemorrhaging new players. Giving these people the ability to pay to skip content creates a divide in the community like it already has.

    You are basically saying that more new players will come to the game because they can now pay x amount of money to skip to end-game. So they can log in each week for however long it takes to cap tomes and complete 4 savage raids.
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  7. #937
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    So...Xelphatol.

    I dare say, it doesn't take "Jump-Newbies" to keep the difficulty low.
    My point was a hope that they would buck that trend, and that the implementation of the jump potions may hinder that.
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  8. #938
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    I can already see frustration of both new and veteran players due to the skill gap and eventual rude awakening in DF.

    You should instead take your time to trim down the MSQ to only salient quest and not the useless fillers like "Take this banana to the other side of the planet for me mighty WoL" and add a lot more exp as a reward so new players can catch up way faster and the problem will be solved without the need to add jumping potions.

    If you think some lore is lost in the process add it with secondary quests with a dedicated icon so people interested, like me, will know where to look.
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  9. #939
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhaneX View Post
    I never said they were. I'm saying that people who aren't lazy will go and do older content to practice if they need it. Thus, new content should not be tuned for "New" players who skipped right to it. Is this what is going to happen? I should hope not. I'm simply cautioning against behaviors and attitudes which would make such a route permissible.
    Fair enough. If they do make content easier though, I suspect it will have more to do with their continual belief everything must be accessible to even the worst players than a skip potion being added. Frankly, it's that mentality which has led to the sub decline. At least, I believe so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rlloona View Post
    You mean the story/MSQ right? Not sure what other MMO had something like that. TBH, I might be in the minority but this, and the way they handle their lore is what drew me to this game in the first place. It's also what pissed me off about WoW and Blizzard's habit of retconing the lore every other patch.
    I mean the gated nature of it. I can't think of a single MMO that forces you to complete its story just to unlock new content-- including what is likely to be two entire expansions. Otherwise, I agree with you. I wouldn't be playing FFXIV if it weren't for the story and lore being a huge step above your typical MMO. One reason I support the jump potion is it allows the devs to focus on story content without having to make any concessions. No need to worry over length if those who aren't interested can skip it all come next expansion. I just feel they should move away from gating so much behind it and allow people who aren't interested to carry on with what appeals to them and for those who are to enjoy it all at their leisure.

    Not if they start complaining. There will be new people, they will use the potion and they will complain that they have no idea what they're doing. And Square will probably make easier content. It's how you attract customers. Why do you think WoW has so many subs still?
    Not necessarily. People complained about Weeping City and for once, the devs flat out said "no" to any nerfs. They got over it because there was no other alternative. If you wanted better gear, you have to suck it up. If Stormblood launches with reasonably difficult content and rewards, people will do it since it'd be the best way to progress. The reason you see people bail on say, Final Steps of Faith is because they can just re-queue for Trial and get something easier for the same reward. Honestly, I think the ease of difficulty has actually hurt them. XIV has seen a massive decline in active characters since January. In my own experience, Expert queues were much slower before they added the latest Anima step into it. I doubt that was a coincidence either. WoW simply has more content than XIV, though I can't directly compare the two since I don't play WoW.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 12-19-2016 at 08:26 PM.

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    94 Pages and no one has considered that the level potion is almost not needed at all? Imagine some newbie or a friend buying the game with the insta 60 potion, just to discover potd 2h into the game and realizing "Whoa leveling goes kinda fast here! Why did I pay for this?". Obviously it was his choice to pay but it will happen that those will be bought without knowledge of the game itself.

    I still dont get why they're so eager to collect some one time moneys rather then buffing exp or something else. As someone mentioned a few pages earlier, it might work in the eastern markets, but i'll bet that it will backfire here someday.
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