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  1. #831
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    They may and they may not.
    That's my whole point. With the developers also promoting the idea that Heavensward is outdated and not worth doing, people won't have much reason to go ahead and do it later on. And even if people don't care about the story in XIV, the 3.X maps, dungeons, quests are amazing. That's months if not years of development work put into 3.X content which is still great but it will just be skipped by those that buy the level up potion. That's 1-2 months of play time that people will skip which is still good to do even when it's outdated.
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  2. #832
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    Akira Kazama
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    One of the biggest complaints seems to be it will create a whole group of "potion 60s" who don't know how to play their job.
    We don't have potions now and I've come across LVL 60 tanks without provoke, who face pull everything. Ice mages and/or blms who never use fire 4.

    The game will always have players who understand what to do and those who don't. Potion or not if someone wants to learn the right way to play their job they will put in the time to do so.

    I'd rather they just add potions so more people try the game. Some of those players will be very good. Some will be very bad. Others somewhere in between, just like it is today. Time spent on reworking the story and leveling structure for old content is time away from making new content. It's also a job that never ends. So long as new content keeps getting released there will always be something else to prune down the line.

    At the end of the day more options are never a bad thing. Players who use a potion to skip content aren't going to ruin my experience.
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    Last edited by UserHere; 12-19-2016 at 08:36 AM.

  3. #833
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    I understand that a ARR rework would take a while. I'm not necessarily asking for a rework of the whole thing but rather put a few tweaks here and there and add more early game content accessible at low levels. You can't just leave ARR as it is currently.... It doesn't change the fact that people still paid for ARR, and there are going to be people who want to play through ARR. To be honest, time spent making content is just as important as improving and refining the game... Actually they should even be in the same category. When your trying to make a good game, you want to try cover everything, and not just ignore one part of the game that is not enjoyable. This is a good mindset for anyone who strives to create a good game.
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    Last edited by Keitou; 12-19-2016 at 09:44 AM.

  4. #834
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuma_aus View Post
    That's my whole point. With the developers also promoting the idea that Heavensward is outdated and not worth doing, people won't have much reason to go ahead and do it later on. And even if people don't care about the story in XIV, the 3.X maps, dungeons, quests are amazing. That's months if not years of development work put into 3.X content which is still great but it will just be skipped by those that buy the level up potion. That's 1-2 months of play time that people will skip which is still good to do even when it's outdated.
    The goal isn't to get new players to enjoy old content anyway, would it be ARR or HW. It's to make new players stick with the game. Period.

    The only way to do that is to allow them to get into the "active community" as fast as possible. This is why jump potions exist, and also why just making ARR&HW "easier" and "faster" isn't good enough.
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  5. #835
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuma_aus View Post
    That's my whole point. With the developers also promoting the idea that Heavensward is outdated and not worth doing, people won't have much reason to go ahead and do it later on. And even if people don't care about the story in XIV, the 3.X maps, dungeons, quests are amazing. That's months if not years of development work put into 3.X content which is still great but it will just be skipped by those that buy the level up potion. That's 1-2 months of play time that people will skip which is still good to do even when it's outdated.
    They're still going to be doing those dungeons for their tome roulette's. Level 60-70 Job Quests and Main Scenario Quests may also require them to backtrack into those old areas, for one reason or another.
    Side-quests I've never read the dialogue of. I don't very much care for NPC's telling me to go somewhere to kill/fetch a thing. I've also not touched the Hildibrand storyline in HW because I'm not a fan of him.
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  6. #836
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keitou View Post
    You can't just leave ARR as it is currently.... It doesn't change the fact that people still paid for ARR, and there are going to be people who want to play through ARR. To be honest, time spent making content is just as important as improving and refining the game...
    I wish I could like this more than once. Unfortunately, the MSQ skip potion is likely going to be used as an excuse to do nothing to fix the pointless barriers through ARR and leading into HW, much less the reasons that pushing through ARR is just not fun.
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  7. #837
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    I still say all they need is a potion that will skip all the quests from the end of the Praetorium dungeon up to entering Ishgard. I don't know the numbers for that line of quests, but THOSE are the biggest pain in the backside in the game. All the rest aren't so bad, especially now that we have PotD to level up when we hit the level-gated MSQ stuff.
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  8. #838
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    Veritas-Ancora's Avatar
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    Mother Vain
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    I run an FC that has seen 2,550 members in 3 years. Two thousand, five hundred, and fifty members.

    Community will be lost so badly if you use a jump potion. Building levels builds community, it builds friendships, it helps us grow.

    Requested Alternative:
    Triple XP up to L60. I'm dead serious, triple it. This caps people at every dungeon, but makes them experience it and learn. No more grinding gathering or crafting either. Grinding dungeons is a waste of time and discourages players from playing.

    Also get rid of all those silly MSQ quests at Costa Del Sol before Titan, they did nothing for the story.


    I understand this is a business, and our community wants new players too. But if you remove the reason people develop friendships, you will have a horrible turnover rate that will not justify the long-term profits of the company and people will leave a lot faster than they do now.
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    I hope the devs are listening. We need the devs to please listen.

  9. #839
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post

    Also get rid of all those silly MSQ quests at Costa Del Sol before Titan, they did nothing for the story.[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]
    Those are the quests that nearly made me quit when I was new to XIV. Didn't feel like I was playing a Final Fantasy game at all other than the promise of fighting Titan
    Felt like something you'd see in WoW with how fetch questy it was (which was the main reason why I played WoW for 1-2 hours game time)
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    I stopped reading here. I really did. Can people stop asking for FF14 to be FF11 reborn. They tried that and look what happened.

  10. #840
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    The goal isn't to get new players to enjoy old content anyway, would it be ARR or HW. It's to make new players stick with the game. Period.

    The only way to do that is to allow them to get into the "active community" as fast as possible. This is why jump potions exist, and also why just making ARR&HW "easier" and "faster" isn't good enough.
    Roul is part of the active community though. I mean, I understand people wanting to play with their friends, and I understand that there are people that... don't care about story (Which I find weird, but that is besides the point)

    As multiple people have pointed out though, leveling really isn't the issue, people that don't like story will just skip the CS's, what really makes the slog unbearable is the shear number of "fluff" or "Fetch" quests that are padded into the MSQ.

    Look at it like this, and I'm not saying you are wrong, but... Lets say someone does care for the story, obviously they are not going to use the jump potion, they still hit the brick wall of crappy quests that add little to nothing to story before HW. Most of the people that have quit (that I know) this is the portion they stop playing on, and it isn't because they didn't want to see the story.

    So they hit this point, they are starting to feel "UGH" about it, because it just keeps going, because of all these darned quests. A couple things could happen at this point.

    -The player stops playing, because they think this is a representation of the rest of the story/game
    -They decide to use a potion just to get past this... missing some of the good stuff that happens... and or are convinced by people that "you should just skip that"
    -Or the optimistic ... they stick it out.

    That is still very much a problem if you ask me. The only people winning here are the people with extra cash that don't give a crap about story, and Square making a buck off those people. Where is the love for the other guys lol
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    Last edited by Imoen; 12-19-2016 at 10:39 AM.
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