For just 41 cents a day, 1.8 cents an HOUR, you TOO can play FFXIV

[Starlord]

I agree it is about if it's worth the price or not. But on the same hand, how many times have people bought video games for their consoles, popping out $40-$80+ dollars (if it's a special edition) and then not liked it? I'm sure we have all had that experience at least once.

How often to people buy games, and then taken them back because they finished it really fast, or didn't like it as well, so they trade it in (loosing money in the process) to get other games that they hope may or may not be better?

How many people have spent hundreds of dollars on a hand held, and then either upgraded soon after or (like the PSPGo) wished they had never bought it and had kept their PSP? That there was like, what $200?

That type of money could let me play for 4 moths to over a year... and at least with FFXIV we know what we are getting into and what to expect. We aren't walking into this blind like we did a year ago, and SE more than made that up by letting us, not only play for a year for free, but allowing us to keep all of our character data and progression.

We know if we like this game or if we don't like it, we know the next 2 year plan that SE had set up and we know where it is going.

Is it worth it for me, yes? If it's not worth it to others that's fine, but I am going to enjoy the game and pay the fee, because to me I don't see the flaw.

And remember, most millionaire's didn't become a millionaire because they sat around saying 'no no I can't take a risk I'm just going to sit here and do nothing because I might lose money!', they became a millionaire because they took risks and they paid off. That "but it's only 13$ a share!" might have net them their millions because they took the chance.

I'm willing to take a risk with this game because I feel it's worth it and enjoy not only the game but the people I play with, nothing anyone else says will change my mind.

I totally agree, and 6,500 Crysta which equals out too 65 bucks for 6 months, is what I currently bought just yesterday ( well I already had 1k Crysta in there from launch lol) so 55 bucks I payed. So lets say 65 bucks I payed for 6 months.. to me 6 months of 65 bucks isn't that much at all. Some people are saying that " Its the Principle". Well, thats how they see things, and I respect that.

However, I enjoy the game for what it is, and its only going to get better. I notice with every patch that the Servers and the lag it self was being less restrictive on my character. I noticed that the graphics seems ( to me) gotten Slightly better. I noticed that the UI is more responsive making things better to Navigate.

So many things that they are doing right under Yoshida, that I fully trust in his work and I truly believe in him and will give my 12.95 X6 per 6 months and see where its going. If things are up to snuff by post 2.0 Release then I can say.. Hey SE I gave you my money and your chance of my money etc etc. but Seeing how 2.0 looks and I'm sure half the stuff on this version will be in Ver 2.0 ( IE= Primals, Grand Companies, (Dungeons?), Chocobos, Airships) So There will be Content being transferred to Ver. 2.0 in someway or form.

Yoshida, You truly dug this game out, its not fully out yet, but I see the light on the other side, and I trust in your work 100%. Make it Happen Bro!

Starlord Ravine

[Sephrick]

actualy, thats an exageration too
i believe he stated 50% of what they had planned is ready(obviously thats 50% of whats planned for 2.0 at this point)

not "50% ready"

He said half way to being able to be called Final Fantasy. Any way you slice it, they're only half satisfied with their product.

[Tsukino]

I agree it is about if it's worth the price or not. But on the same hand, how many times have people bought video games for their consoles, popping out $40-$80+ dollars (if it's a special edition) and then not liked it? I'm sure we have all had that experience at least once.

How often to people buy games, and then taken them back because they finished it really fast, or didn't like it as well, so they trade it in (loosing money in the process) to get other games that they hope may or may not be better?

How many people have spent hundreds of dollars on a hand held, and then either upgraded soon after or (like the PSPGo) wished they had never bought it and had kept their PSP? That there was like, what $200?

That type of money could let me play for 4 moths to over a year... and at least with FFXIV we know what we are getting into and what to expect. We aren't walking into this blind like we did a year ago, and SE more than made that up by letting us, not only play for a year for free, but allowing us to keep all of our character data and progression.

We know if we like this game or if we don't like it, we know the next 2 year plan that SE had set up and we know where it is going.

Is it worth it for me, yes? If it's not worth it to others that's fine, but I am going to enjoy the game and pay the fee, because to me I don't see the flaw.

And remember, most millionaire's didn't become a millionaire because they sat around saying 'no no I can't take a risk I'm just going to sit here and do nothing because I might lose money!', they became a millionaire because they took risks and they paid off. That "but it's only 13$ a share!" might have net them their millions because they took the chance.

I'm willing to take a risk with this game because I feel it's worth it and enjoy not only the game but the people I play with, nothing anyone else says will change my mind.

Just because people make purchasing mistakes all the time doesn't mean that they should be automatically willing to spend less money on something that may not be worth it. Of course we all have regrets buying games, as well as anything else. It doesn't have any bearing on whether any other purchase is worth whatever amount of money.

I do agree that we know mostly what we're getting, and we have an outline of specific things to expect by certain dates, which makes the investment more of a sure thing. But on the other side of the same coin, because we know what's in the future we can just as easily make the decision to wait until said future has arrived before spending money on it. If 2.0 sounds great to someone, then why should they pay for 10 months of something else waiting for it? They know the date it's coming, and they can just start again at that time.

Of course you are willing to pay for it. That's great, and I hope at least some people are so Wada doesn't go crazy and cancel the whole thing while it's halfway done. But that's your individual decision to spend your $13 (or however much) for 10 months, and just because it's "only $13" doesn't mean everyone else with the same amount of money should make the same decision. I'm personally on the fence about it for my own subscriptions, I'm just saying it's not so black-and-white "you spend $13 going to a movie or buying two cups of coffee" as you, the OP, and many other people always make these things out to be.

Kindred spirits. Although, I'm not so pleased with the current direction of the series... ToP:NDX wasn't really my thing and Graces was okay. I'm looking forward to ToI:R and hopefully one day there'll be a ToD2: R or something (Tales of Destiny 2 [not Eternia] has my favorite battle system ever) and I am totally off-topic but it's about Tales so I'll risk a warning or whatever.

I just got my platinum trophy for Xillia yesterday and I really enjoyed it. It seemed rushed in some places where it was missing series staples, but overall I'd say it was a lot better than Graces.

The whole DLC thing is BS though. Not only is $4 (￥300) a ridiculous amount of money for a single costume for a single character, but they have the nerve to not have any costumes hardly at all in the original game and sell the DLC as soon as the game ships. At least with Vesperia the base game had a ton of its own content, and the DLC stuff came later on. With Graces and Xillia it feels like they're removing it from the game to sell separately.

See, I hope to avoid moderation by still replying to the topic at the same time.

[Morningstar]

Do you guys work for SE or something? You really need to try to convince people to pay for this game?

[Dreadnought]

for its its whether or not i want to support more than 1 MMO.

FFXIV didnt capture my entire heart and since there are three other MMOs coming out within the next 6 months that are already recieving outstanding reviews, i dont know if i could afford $15x3 or 4 games a month.

i dont think its whether or not people can afford 1 mmo at $13 a month, its whether or not FFXIV can keep a persons attention over the other games also charging $13 a month. which do you choose?

[Davorok]

This is a good example of why Socialism doesn't work. If you give something to people for free they get spoiled and feel entitled to continue to receive that something for free.

If you then try to take away that "entitlement" or *gasp* charge for it...you end up with protests on Wall Street (or in this case Internet Protests against SE).

It seems obvious to me that most of the peeps crying foul over the sub fee really truly like this game and want to continue to play...for free.

I hate to be the one to break it to you all but nothing in life is free except for oxygen. We have to pay for even the basic necessities in life like food, shelter and even water. What makes anyone think that non-essentials like video games should be free?

You can claim principal and say that it's an incomplete game, a beta, whatever but the bottom line is still the same. If you want something you have to pay for it. If you enjoy FFXIV and want to continue to play you have to pay. If you don't think FFXIV is worth a monthly subscription fee that is fine...don't pay and don't play.

Just stop saying that it should be free. You're being ridiculous, unrealistic and selfish. And please stop using the argument that SE "owes you" because you bought the game. There is an old saying, "Buyer Beware". I'm sure FFXIV isn't the 1st time you got burned on a purchase and won't be the last.

/end psuedo-political rant with these words..."Freedom isn't free...and neither are video games".

p.s. Sorry to OP if this wasn't the best thread to post this in. You just got lucky I guess ;>)

[XxOstiaxX]

This is a good example of why Socialism doesn't work. If you give something to people for free they get spoiled and feel entitled to continue to receive that something for free.

If you then try to take away that "entitlement" or *gasp* charge for it...you end up with protests on Wall Street (or in this case Internet Protests against SE).

It seems obvious to me that most of the peeps crying foul over the sub fee really truly like this game and want to continue to play...for free.

I hate to be the one to break it to you all but nothing in life is free except for oxygen. We have to pay for even the basic necessities in life like food, shelter and even water. What makes anyone think that non-essentials like video games should be free?

You can claim principal and say that it's an incomplete game, a beta, whatever but the bottom line is still the same. If you want something you have to pay for it. If you enjoy FFXIV and want to continue to play you have to pay. If you don't think FFXIV is worth a monthly subscription fee that is fine...don't pay and don't play.

Just stop saying that it should be free. You're being ridiculous, unrealistic and selfish. And please stop using the argument that SE "owes you" because you bought the game. There is an old saying, "Buyer Beware". I'm sure FFXIV isn't the 1st time you got burned on a purchase and won't be the last.

/end psuedo-political rant with these words..."Freedom isn't free...and neither are video games".

p.s. Sorry to OP if this wasn't the best thread to post this in. You just got lucky I guess ;>)

It sets a bad precedent for other developers to follow, just like what happened with DLC content, at first it was "Ok i'll pay 10 bucks 4-6 months later for extra content of this game i like" now as soon as you buy the game, there are 1-2-3 DLC for the game(So they charge you $60 for a game, and expect you to pay 30 extra for content that should have been in the game in the first place) sometimes games come with bugs and problems and the fix is in the DLC, sometimes forcing your hand into buying them, what square enix is doing, will set the precedent of making the customer pay for the development of future games and then having to pay for the box at release too.

[Alegis]

It sets a bad precedent for other developers to follow, just like what happened with DLC content, at first it was "Ok i'll pay 10 bucks 4-6 months later for extra content of this game i like" now as soon as you buy the game, there are 1-2-3 DLC for the game(So they charge you $60 for a game, and expect you to pay 30 extra for content that should have been in the game in the first place) sometimes games come with bugs and problems and the fix is in the DLC, sometimes forcing your hand into buying them, what square enix is doing, will set the precedent of making the customer pay for the development of future games and then having to pay for the box at release too.

They gave us more than a year for free because it wasnt ready to be paid for. I dont think other developers/publishers want to follow that route.
Its not like DLCs.

Now FFXIV did reach a point where it offers the same amount of content most other MMOs do at Release, so why not ask for monthly fees then?

Yes, its still a long way of improvements, but its the same for every MMO.

[nasomi]

FFXIV didn't screw people over, I don't know where people come up with that concept. They launched and said "oh shit, oops, ok we wont' charge you until we have stuff figured out." Here we are a year later, stuff is pretty well figured out, added, and pretty refined. THe game could go on like this pretty well for a few years with expansions adding content, but SE said no, we want something longer than a few years, so they decided to scrap the project and make a new one. However they also kind of had to, in order to relaunch in stores and for the ps3 to escape the negative initial launch stigma that they are stuck with.

So they gave us FFXIV today as it is, which is pretty good, with promises of content added in, upgrades, and refindments along the way. In addition, they said "You get the super upgrade, FREE, same world, but with more zones, more content, stuff... better graphics, and a whole new engine. AND we're gonna do the whole damned thing in a YEAR!"

So, ffxiv as of now gives me enough entertainment for my $25.90/month, it's cheaper than a ps3 game, and i can keep going without having to worry about the next big thing, knowing that the real next big thing is gonna come in a year, right to my desktop, without having to buy new software,a nd it's going to be free. I can't ask SE for more than that.

Come on pay system so pricks go away...

[Sophia]

if you want a free to play mmo go play guild wars or perfect world i'll pay for ffxiv and ill do it in 6 month chunks