Give more damage to DRK and PLD, or nerf Warrior!

[Hierro]

Raw intuition is your equivalent of Shadowskin/Rampart, technically. No comment on the thread as a whole, but just wanted to point that out.

No, no! This is wrong! Rampart and shadow skin can be used by themselves and are reliable. Raw intuition must be used with awareness when tanking trash, and at that you have to be positioned to get the mitigation (you won't mitigate everything), and you always face a 5 second window where awareness won't cover you and you will take increased damage because mobs will inevitably attack your flank. What kind of tank skill makes you take increased damage?

[Sarcatica]

No, no! This is wrong! Rampart and shadow skin can be used by themselves and are reliable. Raw intuition must be used with awareness when tanking trash, and at that you have to be positioned to get the mitigation (you won't mitigate everything), and you always face a 5 second window where awareness won't cover you and you will take increased damage because mobs will inevitably attack your flank. What kind of tank skill makes you take increased damage?

Raw Intuition is only used when you know you won't get the crit damage. What kind of tank are you if you just use Raw Intuition whenever you can? Just because you can doesn't mean that you should use. RI is a CD heavily used on boss fights, if you can't guarantee the front, might as well not use it.

The thing about Awareness is people seem to have that absolute idea of pairing it with block/parry skills, in reality though Awareness is more useful of a CD so that you don't die from stray crits.

[Sarcatica]

PLD/DRK lose out on DPS when they have to switch stance. That's also why WAR pulling is a thing in speedruns. WAR atm is the complete package due to how insanely strong the individual kit is. WAR is the only tank with aggro combo being part of its DPS rotation. PLD and DRK simply can't compete with that.

For SE to offset that difference better, naturally PLD and DRK have to get direct flat buffs across their skillset OR maybe party damage/defense buff. Atm there is no reason to bring PLD for speedrun over DRK, and that says a lot. My group and I don't even consider bringing PLD. That's something you can see across all top 10 speedrun for this expansion so far.

[Hierro]

Raw Intuition is only used when you know you won't get the crit damage. What kind of tank are you if you just use Raw Intuition whenever you can? Just because you can doesn't mean that you should use. RI is a CD heavily used on boss fights, if you can't guarantee the front, might as well not use it.

The thing about Awareness is people seem to have that absolute idea of pairing it with block/parry skills, in reality though Awareness is more useful of a CD so that you don't die from stray crits.

You misunderstood me. I am in no way advocating for RI's use when you can't guarantee it. In fact, that's the entire basis for my post. I was adding the rebuttal that RI is NOT a rampart/shadow skin equivalent becuase those two skills can be used and they will guarantee full coverage, while RI can't, and the only way to make it viable at best is to rely on another skill.

[ckc22]

Remove all jobs. Replace with: Tank, Healer, Physical DPS, Caster DPS.

Done everyone's happy now that everything is identical.

[Spartan926]

Remove all jobs. Replace with: Tank, Healer, Physical DPS, Caster DPS.

Done everyone's happy now that everything is identical.

But I like how the different classes feel....

[ckc22]

But I like how the different classes feel....

But people just constantly complain about not being able to do anything someone else in the same role can do.

[Canadane]

WAR doesn't even earn their tank stance until they get a cure after switching. They are otherwise just a lesser DPS tank than they could be. They don't immediately start taking less damage, nor do they technically ever take reduced damage. This is why they don't take a GCD to swap stances, as Defiance is not equivalent to Grit/Shield Oath.

In regards to the topic at hand, it's actually somewhat related to the comment above. The best tanks try to stay in their DPS stance as long as possible. As long as they can maintain enmity, there isn't much issue with this. Both DRK and PLD have an extra 20% mitigation ability that can last forever in the form of Grit/Shield Oath. Warrior doesn't have this.
So anyway, you have a main tank that's sitting in their DPS stance as much as they can, and an off tank who should probably always be in their dps stance as the situation allows. When both tanks are in such stance, the matter of who is best off tank and who is best main tank gets a little blurred. Then add in the fact that Warrior does use it's enmity combination for it's standard rotation and you might start to think that Warrior makes a much better main tank than off tank!

[MoarLegion]

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If it wasn't for the stacking classes penalty, no one would ever bring a DRK/PLD and we'd all be running double WAR comps.

[FallenWings]

If it wasn't for the stacking classes penalty, no one would ever bring a DRK/PLD and we'd all be running double WAR comps.

Don't be silly. WAR can't possibly MT at all.

Didn't you know the class with the shield is always the best de-facto MT? /s