For stormblood do you want the gated conten path of hw, or the free roam path of arr?

[Martin_Arcainess]

See the thing is not all gated content is a bad idea and it dose bring some pros along for example my sister didn't unlock the Cutters Cry dungeon so around LV35 it took her a while to do and she is at LV47 doing fates because to her, a new player she doesn't know of the LV47 Aurum Vale dungeon.

But If those Dungeons was gated and AV was part of the story line then doing her MSQ she would know of AV and thus know of a LV47 dungeon she can do for exp instead of fate grinding.


But hell I don't see the point of going to Idlyshire If I'm LV54 since the main point of the area is for LV60 characters.

[JunseiKei]

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Specifically, those are gated behind the expansion. You simply don't get access to them unless you buy Heavensward, anymore than you can't play as an Au Ra unless you buy it or even level past 50 in anything. It's designed to sell. *Points to previous posts.* Pacing and relevant story found without classes and jobs. Like you, I love the story, but everything in Heavensward is too tied to story and simply allowing to skip around it without context removes the story and its relevance.

What you're asking for is asking for mechanics of the game to be made available without being tied to story. IE: Tomestones, job skills themselves, etc. having no ties to the story being made available. Even then, crafting and gatherers would still be behind story. Lore-wise, we're adventurers that are encouraged to take on other professions, like crafting. By default, we're being told we're battlers first, entrepreneurs second. Players may think differently, but story-wise, that is what we are.

[bswpayton]

Being able to access some content

The point would be for matts to go and farm is your a gatherer, and I hadthree level 60s before I even got to hw , like I said many players in nn are beyond level 50 just simply gettin there tomes gear, when you dont gate content it doesnt make people feel like they have to do the story asap to get to something they may want to do, because like I mention once the story is gone your options are , wait for the devs to bring out more content, raid which no t even half of the player base does, or do the same dungeons over and over again. It would be different if you just unlocked this unbelievable amount of content on the other side but you dont.

You just unlock a cycle of repetitiveness, instead of just doing this same repetitive cycle in between the msq if you wanted to, like I said once the story is over if people arent into those things that is at the end of the game then it will shorten their play time. If their is no pressure to be at the end of the game, and you have the option to take your time then you will end up playing more, I stretched arr out to 4 months in a half where as with hw with everything gated , Ill be done with it in half the time and if I dont get into raiding, I will have nothing left to do other than the stuff I had to rush over again, instead of doing it in the midst of playing taking longer to do it cause I wouldn't feel like I had to do it in a certain amount of time.

I meant this for someone else but it ended up linkin to your post but its still relevent to my post.
To your point well in storm blood dont tie job quest to the story, dont tie optional dungeons to the story, dont tie new jobs to the expansion. I didnt say let everyone who is the right level do the all the extreme primals that are tied into the story. Dont block off noods for gatherers into areas they cant reach why what for there is no reason. Keep the msq gated thats fine im 100 percent for that but let me ride my horse where I want and let people that wana hit rocks hit them where ever they are in story. Arr didnt explain how when Im in arr how I was no where near mor dona in story but I was still there and riding around in the imperial base for job quest, they didnt have to because everything doesnt have to be tied to lore.

[AnaviAnael]

After having read several of the OP's topics, I'm beginning to think he/she likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

This topic has been beaten to death in other threads. Plenty of people complained before HW came out about the gated jobs, not being able to enter as a crafter, etc. Those players are still here btw. If you have a FC or LSs that are worth a darn, they will help you get to where you need.

[Kaurie]

After having read several of the OP's topics, I'm beginning to think he/she likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

This topic has been beaten to death in other threads. Plenty of people complained before HW came out about the gated jobs, not being able to enter as a crafter, etc. Those players are still here btw. If you have a FC or LSs that are worth a darn, they will help you get to where you need.

Eh personally, I find the OP just likes to raise questions and have discussion. I actually like their threads, because they're game relevant. There are quite a lot of fluff threads on the GD, it's nice to have thought provoking discussion.

My only two issues are that it seems they are ESL, and I find reading their posts difficult at times. I also find (s)he raises a lot of leading questions. These leading questions are particularly annoying, as it appears at first glance that they want a good discussion, but then it's revealed that if you give an answer other than they were expecting, then you're wrong or a bad person.

[bswpayton]

[/QUOTE]And no I dont like arguing at all, I post things from other discussions I read in threads are stuff that I hear in the game. Like when I posted about prisms I had no idea all the please dont change this system I would get back because I have never heard anyone saying how much they loved prisms anywhere on my server. The same with this I didn't really think lore was that important for it to prevent others that like a certain play style from playing the way that they want.

I love discussion and Im not here to beat anyone up just wanting to get some understanding of the benefits of certain features in the game Kaurie you yourself I just saw that you were thinking about leaving the game , because it has issues that some people dont like. Gated content is something I have read or heard over and over again that isnt a feature that people care for when it comes to pretty much everything in the game. All I am trying to say is I dont want to be forced to rush through the story that I very much enjoy to join everyone else in the waiting process when I havent been playing the game as long as everyone else what is wrong with wanting the game to last as long as I can possibly stretch it out playing a certain type of way. Because time and time again everyone complains about the tome grind so what is the point in waiting to do that after story when you can do it in the middle of the story is all Im saying.

Junseikei I pointed out why it's locked behind MSQ. In Heavensward, you're an unwelcomed foreigner and they aren't afraid of showing you that time and again in the story. Just the opening scene has Elezen children from the Brume glaring you down.

I dono if this will work properly but I tried but Ive been saying this the whole time I love the lore and story of this game it is my favorite part, what I dont love is to be forced to do it to do other things I like there are 8 dungeons that are optional in hw. I already have a level 60 character in arr I could simply just go do those dungeons , like I did with aurum vale etc. In hw because of the gate of just getting out of falcons nest I can not I have to do the story.
To do my paladin quest 56 I have to do the story, in arr I had the option to do this without having to be concerned of where I was in the story and I was asking if people like this compared to how things where in arr where none of that mattered if you had the gear and you had the level you could do all optional content and pace yourself in the story how you wanted. This includes gathering and crafting, I was simply saying make everything accessible in storm blood that is optional without tying it in with the story. Because I save story Im going to level up regardless of what Im doing Im gona get gear regardless of what Im doing but once I run out of story then I am forced to wait til the next patch. Im not good with cliff hangers Id rather let things run right into each other. This is my reason and for others that play similar they have their reasons as well.

[JunseiKei]

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I pointed out why it's locked behind MSQ. In Heavensward, you're an unwelcomed foreigner and they aren't afraid of showing you that time and again in the story. Just the opening scene has Elezen children from the Brume glaring you down. Of course they aren't going to let you run willy nilly. Most of the stuff you're talking about is only gated behind 3.0 - something released 17 months ago and takes a week, at most, to do, leaving the rest of the Heavensward story as well as story leading up to Stormblood. Maybe if all of the crafting, gathering, jobs skills, were gated behind other patches, too, but they aren't. It took a moment for that to sink in to me, too. Having that stuff gated behind mostly just 3.0 content, not even 3.01 or newer, really isn't that bad nor that much.

Still again, you're wanting to sacrifice pacing of the story and how it all fits together, destroying relevance to the story itself. Lore has played a bigger and bigger part. I mean, did you not know how fast Encyclopaedia Eorzea sold!? No, seriously, do you not know how fast that sold out? I think that alone should be a testament to how much a lot of FFXIV players play this game for lore itself.

[Amirya]

You are also not being "forced to rush" anything. That's an artificial pressure you are putting on yourself.

I literally started a month prior to HW release, and I have only the Warrior left to level to 60 - and I'm 57 there. I chose to play that way.

My brother and sister didn't. They aren't forced to do anything.

You're forcing yourself.

[bswpayton]

You are forced to do it tho , If I want my job skills for my appropriate level , if I want to see the optional dungeons then yes that would be called if you dont do the story then you cant do this extra content we put in the game that's extra. If i played the game like it is lined up then Id already have every class at level 60 but thats not gona keep me playing for 5 or 6 hours everyday. Taking things slow is what has given me the most pleasure, if you are a gatherer and want to get all your noods then yes you are forced to get to the last area you can so you can get those noods are go without. What I am simply saying is the game gives you a direct path and you cant stray away from it , instead of giving options.

Its not possible to create enough story content that is gona last even more than a months time. I level my jobs while I am still doing story , why go back after Ive finished the best part of the game to me. I have heard complaint after complaint about the gating in this game but people defend it and I dont really understand why. I havent read a single thread that says oh I love farming sripts and tomes for gear , but I do see people saying they love the story and Im one of those people, so why make it to where if I dont do the story right away then I cant do the optional content in the game.

[Amirya]

Then take your time as a gatherer. The msq isn't designed for the Miner of Light. There is no lore based reason for you to be in Azys Lla if you don't know how to get there. Or that it even exists.