Do roegadyns ever celebrate a holiday?

[DevilsDontFly]

Nobody's saying that female Miqo'tes and Lalafells should be removed from posters though. Let's just place them on a secondary role and put other races and genders on the "lead". Some people like to see male curves just as much as female on summer events. Some people think Elezen can be classier than Miqo'te to represent Xmas. Would be nice to see a race as filled with energy as Roegadyn representing a New Year's promo art. I would love to see highlanders of both genders for Moonfire events. It's kinda sad that there's a lot of people out there that don't even know we have Roegadyn, Elezen and AuRa as playable races because the promo artwork always features female Miqo'te, Hyur midlander and Lalafell. This isn't FFXI, we can have male cats on artwork too, SE.

No one's gonna stop to play the game if there's a Roegadyn on a promotional art. So the whole "it's because it's the most played race/gender" thing is kinda frustrating.

[PArcher]

No one's gonna stop to play the game if there's a Roegadyn on a promotional art. So the whole "it's because it's the most played race/gender" thing is kinda frustrating.

This year's Moonfire promo art featured a Roe, Elezen and Midlander.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...oonfire_Faire/

I guess the fact that people are forgetting this says a lot about why they don't do it more.

[Kosmos992k]

This year's Moonfire promo art featured a Roe, Elezen and Midlander.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...oonfire_Faire/

I guess the fact that people are forgetting this says a lot about why they don't do it more.

It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race. Therefore they will always be rare in-game, and forcing the matter through some in-game version of positive discrimination would be yet another example of real world politics intruding into the game. The point is people choose to play who and what they choose to play. Starlight posters featuring pretty Miqo'te and Au'ra females in mini-skirts will not change that one jot.

Look pretty the same to me.

Your problem, not mine.

It's going to happen, since the devs keep forcing more miqo'te kittens at us

'forcing'? Player character demographics show an inherent player bias towards certain race/gender combinations, taking note of that with game art is not forcing anything on anyone, it's being responsive to player character demographics.

It's kinda sad that there's a lot of people out there that don't even know we have Roegadyn, Elezen and AuRa as playable races because the promo artwork always features female Miqo'te, Hyur midlander and Lalafell.

I'm not sure that the game promotional material does that, I think it's pretty well inclusive. I don't think the in-game event posters for things like Moonfire Faire or Starlight are impacting player choice, but in any case, as PArcher pointed out, the moonfire faire this year used both a Rogadyn and an Elezone as two of 3 races in the event art, and as the NPCs for the event. So please, don't act like people don't know about Elezen, Highlanders or Roegadyn, that's just silly.

[Vejjiegirl]

It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

Almost every single holiday event (except for recent New Years9(Au Ra), Halloween(Au Ra) and Valentines day(Elezen<3) ) has a Miqo'te/Lalafell in the art/Main Quest NPC, although this years Moonfire faire has a Roegadyn, Elezen, and Female Highlander in it (which was amazing btw because Roe, Highlander, and Elezen are the least popular 3).

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3959950

[Kosmos992k]

**snip post containing several in-game event images selected (cherry picked?) to demonstrate a bias**

As I said with regard to the moonfire faire event this year;

It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

All you are doing is proving a personal bias. I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender. Even if I did, there is no reason or point in doing so, because all that would happen is we'd see that over time all races/genders get featured, and that there are some trends for which are more frequently used, and they correspond to player character demographics. I honestly don't see a problem there at all. The genders and races most often used by players are the ones most often used for event art, the ones least often used by players are least often used for event art. There is a cause and an effect there. I know that some would like to suggest that the event artwork drives player choice, but I believe that is a total fallacy, player choice is driven by player preference, not whether or not a pretty Au'ra or Miqo'te female is standing in front of a Starlight tree on event artwork.

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

Diversity? or positive discrimination? If the choice of NPC and character art for in-game events broadly speaking matches the player character demographics, which is does IMHO, then why is there a problem? Advocate diversity all you like, don't ignore examples that disprove your claim (moonfire Faire), and don't try to link player choice of character race/gender with event art, that's nonsense. People choose to play what they want to play, regardless.

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists. Limsa is ruled by a Roegadyn, Gridana by a Padjal, Uld'ah by a highlander and Lalafel, and Ishgard is ruled, if I am not mistaken by a Elezen. The leader of the Scions is a female midlander. Only one of the Scions is a Miqo'te. I don't remember seeing any male Au'Ra, or Miqo'te in positions of power or influence, and the only miqo'te is Y'shtola and she's a secondary player in the Scions.

If you want to start talking about player races being poorly represented, how about the fact that Miqo'te females are most often represented as courtesans, escorts, exotic dancers or plain old fashioned prostitutes? Seems like female Miqo'te are poorly represented in-game in general when you look at it that way. That doesn't even begin to touch on male Miqo'te, or Au'ra of either gender.

[ErryK]

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Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event. If the art is all-inclusive, it would probably work out better IMO and we wouldn't have threads like this... speaking of all-inclusive... this feels a lot like the Starbucks red cup situation... hmm...

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists.

That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.

[Kosmos992k]

Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event.

Well, then, Moonfire Faire 2016 was a pretty crappy event for Miqo'te, Au'ra and Lalafel wasn't it?

That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.

LOL, I see, so because I chose - during the beta - to play a female Miqo'te, and chose that because my character in a previous game was female and also based on KOS-MOS, because of that I can't comment, because my choice is catered to? The fact that you say that my choice is catered to demonstrates the point that the artwork is led by player preference, not the other way around, thanks for contradicting your own argument.

[Vejjiegirl]

I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender.

Just do it.

It isn't just about other races not being included in the artworks. Sometimes they are included HOWEVER they are always in the background.


Giant Picture of Miqo'te, everyone else in the background



Again big Miqo'te artwork dead center, poor Roegadyn in the background hardly visable






Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out


http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...de/goldsaucer/

What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

Lightining returns X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV


PSO2 X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV (even though FFXIV's exclusive Race Au Ra was already released)




http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/06...r-event-begun/

Y'shotla (A Miqo'te) in Dissidia to represent FFXIV

Y'shtola (A Miqo'te) in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call to represent FFXIV

Why not him?

[Kosmos992k]

Now now don't be lazy .

Also it isn't just about other races not being included in the artworks. Sometimes they are included HOWEVER they are always in the background, even Au Ra suffer from this.

The complete post won't load through my connection at work, only some of the images are visible. However to this point above, Moonfire Faire 2016 featured 3 characters, Rogadyn, Elezen and Midlander female IIRC. So, other races and genders are NOT always in the background, are they?

Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out, we cant have Roegadyn in our Banner

To be fair, that banner crops the part of the poster that contains the actual Saucer building and includes Miqo'te and Midlander. but the original poster includes many others and more prominently features a Rogadyn male and Highlander female.

All you are doing is cherry picking, and even then one poster you're using to 'prove' your point more prominently features a male Roe and female Highlander. Once again, other races and genders are not always in the background, are they?

1. Last year's Moonfire Faire art had Lala and Miqo'te, so your point about that is null and void.

How? This year featured 3 - Roe, Elezen and Midlander. This demonstrates the very thing you demand - diversity.

2. Where did I say that the artwork dictates if you're going to play Lala or Roegadyn? I said the art discourages those who choose said races because it feels like they're unwanted. And secondly, that the artwork for events is led by the majority, i.e. Female Miqo'te. Where is the contradiction in that? It's speaking about two entirely separate parties.

So, you agree that the artwork is led by player character demographics? Good, then where is the argument now? You say that the selection of character races in artwork discourages players. I'll counter with the continual in-game representation of Miqo'te females are easy women, objects to be bought/sold and used. If you really want to talk about representation of characters in game, we can do that, but as a Miqo'te, I can't see how anyone can really deny that Miqo'te, especially females, are depicted in a fairly poor light which is a lot more discouraging to me than the occasional event art.

I don't think I need to say more when I'm being proved by Kosmos992k and Kling-Klang that whatever race is played the most, will be featured first and foremost.

So, good luck trying to disprove me when you're living, breathing proof. \o/

I don't think you mean to, but in a game context, you sound very prejudiced against Miqo'te females on the basis of race and gender. I hope that's not the case, but your posts make you sound like you are.