Do roegadyns ever celebrate a holiday?

[ErryK]

demonstrates the point that the artwork is led by player preference, not the other way around, thanks for contradicting your own argument.

1. Last year's Moonfire Faire art had Lala and Miqo'te, so your point about that is null and void.
2. Where did I say that the artwork dictates if you're going to play Lala or Roegadyn? I said the art discourages those who choose said races because it feels like they're unwanted. And secondly, that the artwork for events is led by the majority, i.e. Female Miqo'te. Where is the contradiction in that? It's speaking about two entirely separate parties.

I don't think I need to say more when I'm being proved by Kosmos992k and Kling-Klang that whatever race is played the most, will be featured first and foremost.

So, good luck trying to disprove me when you're living, breathing proof. \o/

[Kosmos992k]

Now now don't be lazy .

Also it isn't just about other races not being included in the artworks. Sometimes they are included HOWEVER they are always in the background, even Au Ra suffer from this.

The complete post won't load through my connection at work, only some of the images are visible. However to this point above, Moonfire Faire 2016 featured 3 characters, Rogadyn, Elezen and Midlander female IIRC. So, other races and genders are NOT always in the background, are they?

Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out, we cant have Roegadyn in our Banner

To be fair, that banner crops the part of the poster that contains the actual Saucer building and includes Miqo'te and Midlander. but the original poster includes many others and more prominently features a Rogadyn male and Highlander female.

All you are doing is cherry picking, and even then one poster you're using to 'prove' your point more prominently features a male Roe and female Highlander. Once again, other races and genders are not always in the background, are they?

1. Last year's Moonfire Faire art had Lala and Miqo'te, so your point about that is null and void.

How? This year featured 3 - Roe, Elezen and Midlander. This demonstrates the very thing you demand - diversity.

2. Where did I say that the artwork dictates if you're going to play Lala or Roegadyn? I said the art discourages those who choose said races because it feels like they're unwanted. And secondly, that the artwork for events is led by the majority, i.e. Female Miqo'te. Where is the contradiction in that? It's speaking about two entirely separate parties.

So, you agree that the artwork is led by player character demographics? Good, then where is the argument now? You say that the selection of character races in artwork discourages players. I'll counter with the continual in-game representation of Miqo'te females are easy women, objects to be bought/sold and used. If you really want to talk about representation of characters in game, we can do that, but as a Miqo'te, I can't see how anyone can really deny that Miqo'te, especially females, are depicted in a fairly poor light which is a lot more discouraging to me than the occasional event art.

I don't think I need to say more when I'm being proved by Kosmos992k and Kling-Klang that whatever race is played the most, will be featured first and foremost.

So, good luck trying to disprove me when you're living, breathing proof. \o/

I don't think you mean to, but in a game context, you sound very prejudiced against Miqo'te females on the basis of race and gender. I hope that's not the case, but your posts make you sound like you are.

[Vejjiegirl]

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[Kosmos992k]

Refresh your page there is more at the bottom.

I refreshed. I don't know why the producers of those other games elected to use the Miqo'te RSE, That's their choice, but, it's not something in FFXIV. The same goes for the choice of Y'shtola in Dissidia. That's really got nothing to do with how Miqo'te are represented in FFXIV or in the in-game events and artwork.

[ErryK]

I don't think you mean to, but in a game context, you sound very prejudiced against Miqo'te females on the basis of race and gender. I hope that's not the case, but your posts make you sound like you are.

To be honest, yes, I am. I would explain why, but due to it and as a result of it, I dislike the race/gender combination a lot more than I do anything else. The fact that event art puts them in the spotlight a lot more than it does other races... really doesn't help. But again, that's how I see it. Feel free to reply but I'm sure we've learnt our differences now and I cannot be bothered to state anymore why I would like some level of diversity (eg. instead of just a female Miqo'te giving gifts to the children in the Starlight event art, why isn't it a female Miqo'te and a male Roegadyn giving out gifts together? It's a rhetorical statement because I know we'll never get it as a result of so many female Miqo'te player characters. I realize I am being a tad bit defeatist but a part of Japanese online culture also takes precedence as the devs first and foremost cater to JP then the western players... and as far as I'm concerned, a lot of Japanese players love the nekomimi culture...

[Kosmos992k]

To be honest, yes, I am. I would explain why, but due to it and as a result of it, I dislike the race/gender combination a lot more than I do anything else.

Then I shall save you the trouble of responding further, and cease discussion with you.

One thing I will give you though is this;

why isn't it a female Miqo'te and a male Roegadyn giving out gifts together?

Given the real world event Starlight parallels; a big, white haired Roegadyn guy with a beard would be a great fit for the event.

[Magic-Mal]

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Okay so one event, one has a Roe, Elezen and I think a Highlander(wouldn't make sense for it to be a midlander).

I'm a Miqo'te, I like Miqo'te but it's not really cherrypicking when 35/40(random number) events feature Miqo'te as the main character in the art. That's why no one cares about that *one* 2016 event because the other 35 have a Miqo'te. At least Valentine's and Heavensturn tends not to show Miqo'te I think. Even so, the original Valentine's featured Miqo'te.

Little Ladies' Day featured a lalafell Lady(A "little" lady) then in 2016 they added Miqo'te and Au Ra female so it's no longer Lalafell-only yay!

Add up all the art Vejjiegirl and I posted and that's a load of art of events with Miqo'te in the spotlight or closest to it.

Heck even HW art representing all races/genders together has the Miqo'te in the front and Au Ra to the side. The Au Ra males are in the back!

Art
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3959950

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3960720

As for the prostitution/dancer thing, they go to prostitution due to poverty whether it be Ul'Dah, Gridania, or Limsa(we also see midlanders do it. Actually there is always a Midlander there when they are actively engaging in prostitution in-game.)

Miqo'tes are the sex symbol of FFXIV as well as beauty symbol and popularity. When NPCs order "exotic beauties", they are Miqo'te. The "Beautiful Maiden" F'lhaminn, a Miqo'te. Forgotten Springs filled with "Miqo'te beauties". From what I can tell.. FFXIV makes Miqo'te out to be the most beautiful thing in the game. And the player base definitely isnt making that any less true when there are so many Miqo'te females in bikinis.

While Highlanders are seen as trash. Roes are mostly seen as scummy pirates. Elezens are simply haughty most of the time. None of them ever seen like " Oh gods, so beautifuuuuul". Even lalafells are seen as beautiful more often than them. Tataru, Momodi, that high-class lala in the Costa Del Sol Hildi quest. Examples.

[Galaktica]

This is a much more extreme example opposing an idea (specifically the idea that this issue doesn't matter) and not so much one person in particular, but hear me out: let's just say they removed every race except Miqo'te. Obviously, they would never do this, but like I said, it's just an extreme hypothetical example. Even if you were already playing said race, would that not bother you at least on some level? Wouldn't you find that...boring? As much as I like mine and others beautiful Rogadames, I'm glad all these other races exist because I'm not staring at one homogeneous mass every day I log in. Variety is the spice of life.

Now, let's take a step back and revisit the issue at hand. Even if you don't like the other races, the fact that a Miqo'te is almost always front and center doesn't bother you? At all? Like, in a game with six races, you don't find that the least bit boring? I guess it's fine if you don't, but that just seems...weird to me especially that in a game where the playerbase keeps asking for more and more options to express themselves, they would be fine with the same exact thing always chosen to represent them.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Even if you don't like the other races, the fact that a Miqo'te is almost always front and center doesn't bother you? At all.

Not particularly. I can log in at any time of the day and see cool, awesome, epic fights involving high landers, mid, Elezen, Roe, of both genders. There are many more active NPCs of the above that I just see casually wandering around town, not even counting the hundreds of Roes, Mid, and Lalafel I see on a daily basis. On the flipside? Where are the 'Priviliged' Miqo'te non hostile npc's? Barring one tiny village in south Than, and the archer questline NPC, they're in taverns, bars, dancing in the middle of the street in nothing but undergarments, and that's pretty much the only representation that miqo'te ever, ever see.

Personally, as Promiscuous as SE makes them out to be, being shown in ways that aren't tantalizing or titillating are practically owed to the race at this point.

[Eul]

I rarely (or maybe, never) see any highlander on any event art.