WHM getting progressively more unnecessary in content?

[bswpayton]

I dont think the raid population is large enough to base basically everything off of them. I hope they do things for whm because I love whm, and I havent started astro yet because that will be my last class to level. But these treads are like always only considering raid content when not even half the games population even raids I dont really understand that.

[Roll]

I dont think the raid population is large enough to base basically everything off of them. I hope they do things for whm because I love whm, and I havent started astro yet because that will be my last class to level. But these treads are like always only considering raid content when not even half the games population even raids I dont really understand that.

Kind of missing the point. It's more along the lines of job balancing and there is an imbalance.
I don't want to see AST nerfed since they had it rough since 3.0 and they are finally in a good spot, I want to see WHM get something that makes up for the lack of cards, shields, fairy, mp regen, etc since all 3 healers are able to heal effectively.

Just a few ideas I see floating around:

Utility:
Devotion (Ability that was in FFXI): Sacrifice 25% of HP to give to a party member in MP
Esuna trait that has a chance to become aoe.

Mitigation (since no supervirus from Scholar or Disable from Astrologian):
Shell: Reduce magic damage by X% for 10 seconds for party members in range

MP:
Increase the amount of MP recovered from Shroud of Saints and/or Assize.
Stone trait that lets Stone spells have a chance to make the next Stoneskin instant and cost no MP

I have hope that SE will do something for WHM in 4.0 as they have said they want to focus on making jobs have their own uniqueness. We'll just have to cross our fingers and see.

[bswpayton]

Kind of missing the point.

I totally agree but id also have to say skill level comes into play here as well, I have seen some horrible scholars, that think they can heal like whm in my own experience id much rather have a whm in a party than scholars only and this is suppose to be the op class. What I see happening is more scholars rely on their pets to do everything than anything, so I think your more average player can handle a whm more so because cure 2s potency is gona be the same regardless of skill. So yes maybe in raids with more mitigation needed astros are better, but in ur day to day content if you dont have the skill level to play scholar or astro Id much rather have a whm in my party. But like you said hopefully they will even things out esp if one of the new jobs happens to also be a healer.

[Cynfael]

I totally agree but id also have to say skill level comes into play here as well, I have seen some horrible scholars, that think they can heal like whm in my own experience id much rather have a whm in a party than scholars only and this is suppose to be the op class. What I see happening is more scholars rely on their pets to do everything than anything, so I think your more average player can handle a whm more so because cure 2s potency is gona be the same regardless of skill. So yes maybe in raids with more mitigation needed astros are better, but in ur day to day content if you dont have the skill level to play scholar or astro Id much rather have a whm in my party. But like you said hopefully they will even things out esp if one of the new jobs happens to also be a healer.

We're a little off-topic here, but I've always maintained the opposite viewpoint: if I'm going to be stuck with a terrible healer, I'll take the bad SCH over the bad WHM since at least the fairy is guaranteed to do something.

IMO WHM still requires a better sense of planning and strategy to play truly well as a healer. SCH and AST have higher skill ceilings with their more complex kits, but even an inexperienced SCH or AST can try to cover for poor planning with instant healing/shielding, while a WHM usually has fewer such options available at any given time and has longer CDs constraining their use.