Your reaction if SE adds in a Passive Ability to Mobs...

[Dustytome]

The Aurum Vale would be a great example of why these take your time dungeons don't work. Had to take an alt through for a GC quest and had a string of tanks disappearing before load-in and groups disbanding afterward. It's exciting the first time or two and then it's old content and people just want it over with when they're pulled in for a roulette.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

The Aurum Vale would be a great example of why these take your time dungeons don't work. Had to take an alt through for a GC quest and had a string of tanks disappearing before load-in and groups disbanding afterward. It's exciting the first time or two and then it's old content and people just want it over with when they're pulled in for a roulette.

I made the same argument against why having puzzles or mobs with mechanics. They're exciting the first time or two, but you'll wish you could skip them after your 100th roulette run. Even the devs admitted the dungeons are made to be run over and over (though they are looking into ways to make them feel more fresh in 4.0). And considering how we all know how much people HATE IT when someone goes too slow in dungeons, isn't that what puzzles or mobs that take longer to kill would be? You can't have puzzles/harder mobs that take time to go through and want speed running at the same time.

[Gemina]

The Aurum Vale would be a great example of why these take your time dungeons don't work. Had to take an alt through for a GC quest and had a string of tanks disappearing before load-in and groups disbanding afterward. It's exciting the first time or two and then it's old content and people just want it over with when they're pulled in for a roulette.

The Aurum Vale is a great example of people not really wanting challenging dungeons. It can't be speed ran unless running it unsynced, in which case you give up the awesome exp the dungeon gives. I should backtrack a bit and not say that players don't truly want challenging dungeons that take longer, but I think they want better rewards if they have to do a challenging and puzzling dungeon over and over again.

I think they can do something with the concept they had with the Haunted Manor during the recent Halloween event. One of the things that made it really fun was even though it was the same dungeon, with the same mobs, and same mechanics, your objectives changed each time you were in it. Haunted Manor was actually more challenging than a lot of current dungeons, and you don't fight anything.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

The Aurum Vale is a great example of people not really wanting challenging dungeons.

Agreed... so long as SE continues too cater to the /AFK speed run crowd, I can't see dungeons ever becoming fun.

[basketofseals]

Agreed... so long as SE continues too cater to the /AFK speed run crowd, I can't see dungeons ever becoming fun.

The afk dungeon runners and the speed runners are two opposite camps. Nobody wants to pull all the mobs in the dungeon and then tab out.

[Kaurie]

The Aurum Vale is a great example of people not really wanting challenging dungeons. It can't be speed ran unless running it unsynced, in which case you give up the awesome exp the dungeon gives.

I think there are way too many factors involved to blame the general dislike of Aurum Vale on it being challenging.

Reasons why I dislike Aurum Vale include:

• Dungeon Aesthetics: I strongly dislike the toxic atmosphere with yellow liquids, dark green walls etc.
• Mob Aesthetics: I really dislike the look of all the mobs in there
• Synced to level 49: Oh, you just got your awesome level 50 skills, well have fun not having access to it! (so close yet so far)
• Synced ilvl: No sense of 'progression' as you get stronger. Nice new gear? This will still take the same amount of time.
• Time: This dungeon seems to take forever, comparatively to other dungeons
• Rewards: The exp is kinda meh, you can level faster in Northern/Southern Thanalan, and the gear is pointless as it's scaled to 49 and everything at 50 rapidly jumps up in power.

I enjoy the 'challenge', even though I don't find it that challenging. I do like that there are patrolling mobs and you need to be careful with your pulls.