[Personal Opinion] FFXIV is too casual friendly

[Ilan]

It's a shame a lot of things are as easy as it is because people scream "NERF THIS!" [OW ref but it fits right? lol.]
It's just tiring how the game pretty much coddles you all day long but if 1 person asks for a tune up
SOMEWHERE it's "I don't wanna! People are bad at this game! I like my faceroll easy tier."
And here we are. Like I said as my first post in page 1, I understand that this game is really "Your first step"
but it's awfully sad when things that are meant to be even a sort of a challenge gets nerfed bat because
people are too comfortable with the same pattern/difficulty after these many years.
I can't be asked to play this game more than I should because it's just boring and gg2ez all the time.
I mean people act like "Anything that's not me watching Netflix while I kill this bird with my toes smashing the board/buttons...."
Is too much brain work.

I agree with you but to be honest, i like my roulettes fast and if they get harder people will take longer since they don't get the stuff in their head.^^

expert dungeon were challenging in 3.0 I remember having 20 minute last boss fights, but because only levelling dungeons have item level sync, most things will get very easy.

No the where not more challenging. The overall dps was just lower or the mobs had in general more hp or people never understood how to do the stuff right.

[Naunet]

play with lv1 gears if you want it more difficult >.>

Doesn't change the lack of complex mechanics.

By the way, I can't remember if it was in this thread or another, but someone asked if I'd done The Vault yet... well, I did yesterday for the first time and... still not challenging? xD Maybe people have a weird definition of "challenge", but I don't consider something a challenge just because I have to move away from something or heal the tank.

[Frowny]

Doesn't change the lack of complex mechanics.

By the way, I can't remember if it was in this thread or another, but someone asked if I'd done The Vault yet... well, I did yesterday for the first time and... still not challenging? xD Maybe people have a weird definition of "challenge", but I don't consider something a challenge just because I have to move away from something or heal the tank.

Vault is mostly a healer check and you'd be surprised how many still fail.

play with lv1 gears if you want it more difficult >.>

For most dungeons, that only makes them take longer. There are so few actual mechanics. There is nothing wrong with asking something of players since many can handle things just fine... I'm willing to bet you saw "more difficult" and freaked out "omg, people want savage in dungeons nonono". People like to think in extremes when their little world is threatened.

However, if you want easy, wait until you're i260 to run Hullbreaker HM Keep in mind this game is rated T, so the playerbase DOES have the brainpower for harder mechanics if they stop being pampered.

[Hayward]

Threads like this are almost comical. People complain about dungeons being "easy" (while being decked out in Lore/Savage gear) but I suspect they're the same people who have jumped ship in dungeons like Pharos Sirius (Original), the Vault, or Aurum Vale. I'll bet 90% of my gil if SE released a tuned-up version of any of those dungeons, the folks calling for more "challenge" will be fishing for "easier" dungeons in the Duty Finder.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Threads like this are almost comical. People complain about dungeons being "easy" (while being decked out in Lore/Savage gear) but I suspect they're the same people who have jumped ship in dungeons like Pharos Sirius (Original), the Vault, or Aurum Vale. I'll bet 90% of my gil if SE released a tuned-up version of any of those dungeons, the folks calling for more "challenge" will be fishing for "easier" dungeons in the Duty Finder.

See Ozma as an example.

[Naunet]

Vault is mostly a healer check and you'd be surprised how many still fail.

I was the healer!

[Kaurie]

Doesn't change the lack of complex mechanics.

By the way, I can't remember if it was in this thread or another, but someone asked if I'd done The Vault yet... well, I did yesterday for the first time and... still not challenging? xD Maybe people have a weird definition of "challenge", but I don't consider something a challenge just because I have to move away from something or heal the tank.

I agree, I never understand the 'healer check' that everyone was talking about. Went in on my SCH near Heavensward launch and spent most of the time DPSing.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Silica-chan]

same people who have jumped ship in dungeons like Pharos Sirius (Original), the Vault, or Aurum Vale.

Don't forget Amdapor Keep! I'm still sad that they removed the bees from the demon wall boss

[No2631]

I think the issue there is that there is a player base who feel that their fun is more important than the enjoyment of others, so they feel entitled to rewards for just randomly pressing buttons and accidentally doing it in the right order a few times. While they exist as burdens on the other party members, forcing them to work harder in order to still win fights (I'm looking at you, Always On The Floor Dragoons and No Damage At All Bards), they still feel that because they are paying customers, they are entitled to rewards for making others drag them kicking and screaming through content.

This is tolerated by enough players because it's possible to drag these sub-optimal players through the content. If you introduce harder base content that requires everyone to carry their weight or employ thought beyond the random mashing of skill buttons, you'll aggravate both the player base who feel entitled to be a burden on their parties, as well as the players who are burdened with these sub-optimal players. The former because they can no longer reap the rewards for the work others do, and the latter because they can now be denied from completing base-level content simply because the former group is so insistent on their... sub-optimal play style.

[NatSilverguard]

People, FFXIV is a THEMEPARK game, of course most of it's content is easy.

wth, you guys expect?!

i came here exactly because of this...