Honest opinions on flash , do you think its fair it has no damage how would u rank it

[Shurrikhan]

If we merely need a unique AoE component, why not redo Sword Oath so that it's more than an inflexible single-target dps increase, meant only to further slow stance-dancing?

Increase GLD/PLD potencies to compensate for the lost single-target DPS, and make Sword Oath a situational cleave ability, which splits half the damage to be dealt to the target into a split AoE that deals % bonus damage per enemy hit.

Royal Authority combo w/o SwO - 700 potency (+/- adjustment)
Royal Authority combo w/ SwO - 350 main target + 350/n*(1+(.5n)) --> Given n=3, 350 + 875 total potency over 3 enemies --> 408.3 potency per target over 3 GCDs or 136 potency per target per GCD. Compare against Darkside - Abyssal drain (138 ppt/GCD or Maim - Overpower (132 ppt/GCD), noting that PLD AoE relative dps will decrease as n increases.

(A better formula would be to have the damage bonus apply cumulatively, starting from a slightly lower percentile, to better stay near DRK and WAR dmg across a wider range of n.)

[Frowny]

It is correctly balanced. PLD is build as pure defensive tank. It is fair, he has the highest mitigation, so it is fair he does less damage. The only thing could allow is having more enmity generation to compensate. But PLD shouldn't have high DPS, that's not his purpose. Otherwise, I will say yes to a AoE for big enemy group, but without the Enmity generation. We must not forgot what a PLD is. I still think PLD has too much DPS for what should be if you ask me. Instead of give them more DPS, I prefer give them more hate generation. PLD is not for damage.

The current meta is tanks pushing DPS and this is exactly where a PLD fails. DRK/WARs can easily do content with their "lack" of mitigation. As it is now, PLD has a niche but it is grossly overshadowed as a defensive tank isn't truly necessary right now.

[Paladinleeds]

The current meta is tanks pushing DPS and this is exactly where a PLD fails. DRK/WARs can easily do content with their "lack" of mitigation. As it is now, PLD has a niche but it is grossly overshadowed as a defensive tank isn't truly necessary right now.

And if they make content require a defensive tank, then you bet DRK or WAR will get overshadowed (likely DRK), and thus the cycle will repeat. They can't win without full homogeonisation but with full homogeonisation what's the point of having different tanks?

[Frowny]

And if they make content require a defensive tank, then you bet DRK or WAR will get overshadowed (likely DRK), and thus the cycle will repeat. They can't win without full homogeonisation but with full homogeonisation what's the point of having different tanks?

Valid point and a bit of an odd situation honestly. But I also see nothing wrong with possibly requiring a defensive tank in certain content as, at least in say Savage, if you don't have the AoE for some fights you're screwed (and melee usually can't pull it off).

[bswpayton]

Nothing really needs to be done to pali other than an extra , aoe, or taking the cool down of scorn down a few seconds and it would be a much better thank it doesnt have to level out but , I mean single target damange when ur suppose to be doing big pulls is just lame.

[alimdia]

If we merely need a unique AoE component, why not redo Sword Oath so that it's more than an inflexible single-target dps increase, meant only to further slow stance-dancing?

At that point it wouldn't be stance dancing, it would be encouraging tanks to do big pulls in sword oath, I'm not sure that's a good idea, making a new aoe skill or giving flash aoe damage does the job without being too cumbersome.

And if they make content require a defensive tank, then you bet DRK or WAR will get overshadowed (likely DRK), and thus the cycle will repeat. They can't win without full homogeonisation but with full homogeonisation what's the point of having different tanks?

They will never make content that requires a defensive tank, because the other force at play here are healers, which are very strong.