Jump Potion...again

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Like I said, do not care about them skiping the MSQ, having issue with them being given a lvl 60 toon with just a click.
How many more ice mage will we get ?
How many more SMN that do not manage their pet ?
How many more strenght WAR ?

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

We're not "happy" about it. We accept the current progression system is extremely flawed. New players are the lifeblood of any MMO, and they will not pick up FFXIV if they have to slog through over 500 quests. A skip was inevitable the instant FFXIV opted to gates its content this way for the precise reason WoW did it. Your average gamer purchasing Stormblood isn't going to necessarily want to spend a 100 hours doing old content to finally play the actual game they bought. This is especially true for people who have next to no interest in the story. Unfortunately, there is no feasible way to separate an instant 50-60 jump and MSQ. The devs have outright admitted it'd require a complete overhaul to their current infrastructure due to how content is flagged. So either we accept a skip potion or advocate a sizable portion of Stormblood's budget be allocated to content we will never see. I don't know about you, but I would rather the potion.

I can understand seasoned players finding low level content 'boring' yet they really need to think back to the days when they, too, were new and everything was fresh and exciting. If it wasn't ever fresh and exciting for them than that raises questions as to why they invested in the game to begin with. Adding a 'jump potion' for players who have already completed the 2.0 and 3.0 story wouldn't be terrible - it'd allow people to invest more in alts and still ensure that the developers make an additional profit without compromising the game to the extent they would if they were to add a way for new players to skip everything.

That defeats the entire purpose. Alts are only beneficial to omni-crafters, hardcore raiders or RPers. There is literally nothing you'll benefit from by leveling another character if you aren't in any of those categories. For people who only have interest in the endgame, they aren't going to slog through 500+ quests of what they perceive "boring" content. They'll simply pick up another game they can jump into without the massive grind.

As for seasoned players. We have roulettes, Wondrous Tales and whatnot to keep old content populated. Eventually, you still need to gravitate away from it. Say what you want about thinking back to our new player days. I play games for my own enjoyment. I'll certainly help out new players wherever I can, but if I'm no longer having fun. I will move on to another game. For many players, being forced back into content nearly four years old is no longer fun.

[Gravton]

Lol this is all pretty funny. The Story still doesn't contribute to a players skill.
If your arguing that dungeons do then i agree. But does the dungeon have to be locked behind the story? Or would it be ok to lock dungeons behind other dungeons like guildhests and raids?

Why do you people think that a jump potion unlocks endgame content? They would still need to level the last 10 levels and last time i checked, the endgame is locked behind ilevel. How are they going to get a high enough ilevel to get into endgame? Dungeons for tomestones is the fastest way. If they go another route then it takes longer. If a friend crafts for them then chances are they will be doing that content with their friend.

My question is, do we even need a jump potion?
It takes 4 days to get a job from 0-60, a little longer based on play time. But if you make the MSQ a requirement it takes months to get through. You cant even pvp in this game until a large portion of quests are completed.

If they get rid the story requirements, we don't need a jump potion.

[Yasuhiro]

a lvl 60 toon.

Toon

I have more of an issue with that than level 60 jump potions tbqh

[Clethoria]

You know, some communities like the Japanese one like to compile everything to one thread. NA community likes to make 5-6 topics of the same thing every day.

So I guess I should expect about 5-6 threads a day with the same message and people giving their opinions.

Would ask people to be more organized if you want the developer's attention, but I do not favor abusing a dead animal's corpse.

I didn't know I was Japanese! Awesome!

[Celef]

I don't know about you, but I would rather the potion.

And I'de rather not be forced to hold by the hand SE new money grab :/

I have more of an issue with that than level 60 jump potions tbqh

Did not get that but english not being my mother tongue I might have done a lexical mistake ?

[Nestama]

How exactly would it be forcing you? You're clearly not going to buy the Jump potion, so that's not forcing anything on you.

[Celef]

How exactly would it be forcing you? You're clearly not going to buy the Jump potion, so that's not forcing anything on you.

Indeed i won't buy it but i'll end up in dungeon healing tank that won't know how to keep aggro and tanking for dps not knowing there cycle because they'll get all there spells at 60 and won't have the time to practice before being thrown in the 1st dungeon (maybe 61 - 62 if we follow heavensward logic ?) so yes, it will impact me at some point

[Voltyblast]

If they get rid the story requirements, we don't need a jump potion.

"B-b-but it's a Final Fantasy, it has to have a story, or else why are you even playing it?!"

Ok in all seriousness here, I don't think we should get rid of the story: even if I dislike it for various reasons I just don't think that removing a story from the game is a good choice: it helps guiding new players and gives some sort of context of your action, which is always nice. The problem is how this game locks content behind it which, in all honesty here, was done beyond badly, almost like an excuse.

Think of the usual single player RPG: there are locked session where you have to go further before unlocking the next one, but it's usually done for several design reasons such as guiding the player without making him get lost and balancing the difficulty through out the entire game (or would you like to get 1 shotted from a lvl 99 enemy?)

However an MMORPG has it differently: the game is about freedom and how you want to play said game. This also works for open world games really: would you still play GTA5 if to unlock, say, car driving you had to do 10 hours of story mode? I know the comparison is faulty but my point is pretty much that, if you want to make a MMORPG, a game about open world and free exploration, the first priority is to be free to play as you want. Locking EVERYTHING behind a story that some people might not even care, yet you must do, is just not healthy.

Besides 1.0 is just here to remind us that an MMORPG can't survive on story and plot alone!

But my opinion about this? They did it on purpose so that they'll sell the potion: why spend resources on overhauling a flawed content lock system when they can use said flaw at their advantage and use it to tire new players outs from the 500 quests they must do? Basically thanks to the MSQ, these new players either will leave because they don't like the story or simply don't like how the system work, or pay the potion so that they can FINALLY join their friends and play like they should've done from the beginning.

Sure, some will stay and attempt to follow all of it, but when we're in 5.0, with nearly 1000 quests to do that are mandatory, I can guarantee that even the most patient person in the world will give up and go for the detour.

[randysquirrel]

I would like to see the introduction of a Git Gud potion

we already have so many people running round at 60 without knowing anything about their class, I don't see what difference a few more will make

[LineageRazor]

Ok in all seriousness here, I don't think we should get rid of the story: even if I dislike it for various reasons I just don't think that removing a story from the game is a good choice: it helps guiding new players and gives some sort of context of your action, which is always nice. The problem is how this game locks content behind it which, in all honesty here, was done beyond badly, almost like an excuse.

Yeah, this is the real problem, and I've said as much in other threads. It was a terrible idea to lock pretty much everything behind the Main Scenario. MSQ should be something you can do at your leisure while enjoying other parts of the game. The fact that SE also decided to make MSQ one, long, continuing storyline from expansion to expansion only makes the problem so much worse; each expansion adds another hundred or so quests to slog through before you can reach endgame, and even folks who ENJOY the storyline are likely to feel intimidated by it. Heavensward embraced this philosophy and took it to an extreme - you can't even enter the expansion without finishing all the vanilla MSQ, and once you get there all but two of the expansion zones are inaccessible until you progress through MSQ.

There should be plenty of endgame content that is NOT locked behind MSQ, but this is not the case - and the endgame that IS locked behind it seems very arbitrary at times. There's no reason you shouldn't have access to Coil from the moment Alisae strikes out on her own. The only thing plotwise preventing Alexander is the presence of a certain Scion (whose role in the story is pretty minor, to be honest, and could easily have been filled by another NPC); aside from that, they could have had Alex lurch out of the lake pretty much the moment you set foot in the Hinterlands.

It may take a significant overhaul to fix this mess, but I think that overhaul would be preferable to adding jump potions. Make the storyline optional; maybe add some cool rewards for completing it. (Though, to be fair, "cool rewards" are a tough prospect in a vertical progression game like this, as any gear reward will quickly become obsolete, limiting us to fluff rewards like minions and mounts.) In giving players the means to simply skip it all, I find it all too likely that many players who might enjoy the story will feel pressured to do so in order to reach endgame swiftly - and then later regret their choice and wish they could actually go back and see the events that lead up to it.

Did not get that but english not being my mother tongue I might have done a lexical mistake ?

Some players REALLY dislike the use of the term "toon" to describe player characters in this game, both because this game goes to great lengths to make the characters NOT look cartoony, and also because it's a term commonly used by WoW players, and many here do not like to compare this game to that.