i am not mass pull tank

[bounddreamer]

"Hello, I have a disability. I would prefer to do small pulls if that's okay."

If I join an instance and see the tank saying this at the start, I will go out of my way to be friendly and helpful to you and make sure you have a good experience, whether I'm dps or healer. Even small pulls can be okay, because generally your dps will burn through those small pulls quickly, especially if they're not casters.

Offer it as an option, and most people will be completely fine with doing it your way. You don't have to tell them you have ADHD, you don't have to disclose any personal history, but give a little bit and others are willing to help you out too.

If someone is so annoyed by small pulls that they feel they have to leave, that's their option too.

[LunaFaye]

"Hello, I have a disability. I would prefer to do small pulls if that's okay."

If I join an instance and see the tank saying this at the start, I will go out of my way to be friendly and helpful to you and make sure you have a good experience, whether I'm dps or healer.

That should be common courtesy and doesn't need an announcement. Not to be rude but if you can't be friendly and helpful because someone didn't announce their disability than there's something you should think about. I don't mind small pulls, as well as I don't mind speed runs. I think if I go as healer/dps I adapt to the pace of the tank, whatever that might be. If I wan't to have it run differently I will have to join on my tank and pray that we have enough dps to get it done in the time frame I've set as I joined the duty. But that's just my 2 cents.

[xbahax92]

Simple answer... If you dont want to experience bad moments like others pulling mob groups or getting offensive towards you, you either accept that there are people who accept how you tank and some who give a shit about you and just want to speed run. Or the other option would be, avoid playing tank for certain roulettes/dungeons. And for raids, well.. I dont think someone is fit for Extreme primals or raids with ADHD. Simply, just enjoy the game and avoid content which needs certain player skill(if you cant bring it up) . Ignore or just close the chat for toxic players. Thats all I can say.

[Fluffernuff]

I legitimately want answers for this. I've been quoted a few times for those in agreeance or to focus on the other part of my post, but I legitimately want an answer to one thing, and I have yet to get it, so I'm just gonna ask again:

If the tank is responsible and borderline REQUIRED to do mass pulls...
...then why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which the pull is completed?


Why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which a mass pull is completed?

[bounddreamer]

That should be common courtesy and doesn't need an announcement. Not to be rude but if you can't be friendly and helpful because someone didn't announce their disability than there's something you should think about. I don't mind small pulls, as well as I don't mind speed runs. I think if I go as healer/dps I adapt to the pace of the tank, whatever that might be. If I wan't to have it run differently I will have to join on my tank and pray that we have enough dps to get it done in the time frame I've set as I joined the duty. But that's just my 2 cents.

If someone does tiny pulls without saying something, I personally am not going to cause any trouble, but there are tons of people out there who would. As a tank main I've had plenty of times where a healer or dps decided I wasn't pulling enough and went and aggro'd something and brought it back to me. So unless a person speaks up about their circumstances and how they'd like to handle the instance, that sort of thing is very likely to happen.


For me, someone doesn't need to justify why; if they say they want small pulls, I'll go with small pulls. But as already stated, the entire community doesn't behave that way.

"Common courtesy" isn't.

[Kosme]

I legitimately want answers for this. I've been quoted a few times for those in agreeance or to focus on the other part of my post, but I legitimately want an answer to one thing, and I have yet to get it, so I'm just gonna ask again:

If the tank is responsible and borderline REQUIRED to do mass pulls...
...then why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which the pull is completed?


Why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which a mass pull is completed?

I think no one's answered because no one's said it. That is, if by "completed" you're referring to the speed at which the mobs are killed. If it's been said then I've certainly missed it.

[MihaelB]

Why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which a mass pull is completed?

The tank is the pace setter of the dungeon, the healer is responsible for the party's life and the DPS realise the pace set (whether it's slower or quicker).
If your DPS is capable of quickly killing things, it is your responsibility to facilitate the conditions for them to do so, optimising your own ability and the entire party's to have a quicker dungeon.

This would be akin to a healer doing DPS while healing and DPS's utilising their support skills, it's part of the secondary known attributes that make you yourself a better player.
By all means, you can refuse to do that and just restrict your level of game play but that by no means, help anyone.

[Fluffernuff]

I think no one's answered because no one's said it. That is, if by "completed" you're referring to the speed at which the mobs are killed. If it's been said then I've certainly missed it.

No one has asked it directly. only the fact that the very act ACT of a mass pull "make the dungeon go 5 minutes quicker." I'm asking how/why this is the case, and why is that figure is the Tank's responsibility to somehow uphold.
Or to ask it in another way: if the size of the pulls alone somehow makes the dungeon faster and the only constant is the tank, then how does a tank make a mass pull faster?

which leads me to...

The tank is the pace setter of the dungeon, the healer is responsible for the party's life and the DPS realise the pace set (whether it's slower or quicker).
If your DPS is capable of quickly killing things, it is your responsibility to facilitate the conditions for them to do so, optimising your own ability and the entire party's to have a quicker dungeon.

This would be akin to a healer doing DPS while healing and DPS's utilising their support skills, it's part of the secondary known attributes that make you yourself a better player.
By all means, you can refuse to do that and just restrict your level of game play but that by no means, help anyone.

Indeed, which why the majority of us, including myself, will pull large packs on impulse. However, this also doesn't really answer how the TANK is responsible for how QUICKLY the pull is completed, only that they allow for any speed at all to even occur.

I mean... I could be the WAR in a group of WAR/WHM/BRD/BLM, but if the BRD doesnt sing Foe's, the WHM doesn't Holy, and the BLM doesnt use Fire2, then how was my pull any faster?
I adjust to the pace my group set by pulling smaller since none of them want to AoE. now I'm being verbally assaulted because "I'm slowing everything down." That's really the crux of my confusion.

If my job is to manage to pulls, why is it also my responsibility to now complete them? I thought thats why there were 2 extra slots that needed filled.

[Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

If you aren't comfortable with large pulls, let the group know. If they don't like it, they can leave.
If you want to get more comfortable with it, get into a group with friends or FC that are willing to practice with you (no judgement, no bullshit).
For me, I've tanked in many games, I set the pace based on how good the rest of the group is.
If the first pull dies fast and healer doesn't need to heal at all, next pull it bigger, and so on.
In the end, for me, the size of pulls entirely depends on how comfortable my healer is with it.
Stick with it if you like tanking, god knows there aren't that many of us out there.

[Kosme]

/snipsnap

Yeah I'm still not seeing it.

I think many posts have made it clear that it's a team effort, and not solely down to the tank. However, the process of having more efficient runs and saving time (which is kind of the theme this thread has morphed into) begins with how the tank pulls in the first place. Tanks have been focused in this thread due to the OP, a tank, pointing out their tanking style along with their reasoning behind it. There are plenty of threads all over these forums criticizing healers and DPS all the same.