Jump Potion...again

[ChocoFeru]

A jump potion to lvl60 seems fair and ok for me. It will help new people to join us faster, and it's their option to skip content.

Otherwise they'll join and try to rush everything, skipping cutscenes to keep leveling faster and end up tired at lvl60 because they paid for a boring time.

[ErryK]

"I really want to play Final Fantasy XIV but I also want to skip 90% of the content"

Let's be fair, leveling is like... 30% content, 50% fetch quests, 20% cutscenes. I wouldn't put leveling anywhere near 90%. There's more stuff locked past 50 and 60 than there is between 1-49, and 51-59, respectively.

[Yasuhiro]

Let's be fair, leveling is like... 30% content, 50% fetch quests, 20% cutscenes. I wouldn't put leveling anywhere near 90%. There's more stuff locked past 50 and 60 than there is between 1-49, and 51-59, respectively.

True, actually thinking back on it, 2.0 was pretty awful with its questing. Like my worst experience playing a Final Fantasy game (and first MMO), nearly wanted to drop it around the time I was trying to unlock titan going back and forth for about 3-4 levels worth of quests and then like after Ultima Weapon they have the nerve to make you hand out uniforms. Can't blame people for wanting to skip that.

Compared to the improvements to the pacing and story in HW it's pretty jarring.

[Celef]

If they want to skip story fine, there mistake but don't give them a lvl 60 toon OR, give us a way to identify them so we are not forced to play with people who won't have a single idea of what to do, there already is too many currently

[Reynhart]

Although every damn single healer MSQ or class quests teaches you that you should do dps... still we got hundreds of hundreds people arguing and denying that this is the meta since the beginning.

Single player content...such a good way to judge what group content should be, sure. But hey, it would explain all those DPS that don't do positionals, tanks who can't hold aggro or BRD that think songs are useless...

There's more stuff locked past 50 and 60 than there is between 1-49, and 51-59, respectively.

But there will be less content between 60 and 70 than between 10 and 60.

[Nestama]

MSQ helps people learn their jobs through dungeons and instances where mechanics are repeated over and over not through fetch quest. But the leveling potion would skip both

No, the MSQ itself does not teach a player how to do anything. The dungeons might be tied to the MSQ, but that doesn't mean the MSQ is teaching that player how to play "okay." The only way a player learns how to play their Job is if they read their tool-tips, look up a guide and/or accept advice/criticism from other players. MSQ and Job Quests teach you nothing.

If I never looked up tool-tips, guides, advice/criticism AND never paid attention to MP consumption, I'd probably be one of those Fire/Blizzard III Mages.

If they want to skip story fine, there mistake but don't give them a lvl 60 toon OR, give us a way to identify them so we are not forced to play with people who won't have a single idea of what to do, there already is too many currently

Okay, but what if the player who skips to 60 actually took the time to learn how to play their Job (compared to those who level up to 60 and still haven't got a single clue)? Not really fair to label players as "skipped to 60" when they actually could be good at the game.

[Zojha]

Single player content...such a good way to judge what group content should be, sure.

Implying group content is any better. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should be able to intuitively understand that overhealing isn't good and consequently start to wonder between cure casts whether doing absolutely nothing for extended periods of time despite a full resource pool is working as intended or whether there's something they should do in the meantime...

The fact that DPS happens to be the only useful thing there is to fill that gap is just the end of that thought process.

[Celef]

Okay, but what if the player who skips to 60 actually took the time to learn how to play their Job (compared to those who level up to 60 and still haven't got a single clue)? Not really fair to label players as "skipped to 60" when they actually could be good at the game.

You need time to be good at the game, time the first "skippers" won't have taken so you can be sure that, when they'll start doing things with us just after magically reach 60, they won't have any idea what to do.

[ErryK]

But there will be less content between 60 and 70 than between 10 and 60.

Naturally, but all the content is 50, 60 and then 70. All the stuff between them is repeatable but more or less a one-time experience.

But as usual, if the player is interested in the current endgame, they'll go for the pot. There's nothing that can be said about that.

[Reynhart]

Implying group content is any better.

To understand what you need to do in a group...yes, actually it is. For example, it teaches young PLD that even though Riot Blade does more damage than Savage Blade, you shouldn't just focus on spamming it.

The fact that DPS happens to be the only useful thing there is to fill that gap is just the end of that thought process.

The meta goes far beyond a simple "If you're twiddling your thumbs, you might as well DPS"

Naturally, but all the content is 50, 60 and then 70. All the stuff between them is repeatable but more or less a one-time experience.

The thing is that if you reach each previous cap progressively, you'll probably want to try corresonding content at the same time as your continue leveling, and it will give you small increments to your character. If you start right at level 60 just to do the MSQ that will carry you to 70, you won't have any reason to do previous content. Now, when we started the game at 2.0, we had no problem to understand the "lack" of content in a very young game. Start the game after 4 years, and if you burn through the latest expansion because it's the only thing that would actually offer progress, you'll just feel ripped off by the game.

But as usual, if the player is interested in the current endgame, they'll go for the pot. There's nothing that can be said about that.

If you make the pot available, everybody will go for it.