i am not mass pull tank

[FinaSel]

I am okay with small pulls, as long as the tank is moving quickly between pulls.

If I am in "expert" roulette with a tank who is stopping and waiting between pulls or boss fights, I will use Shadewalker on the tank and pull myself.

I was in Gubal Library Hard with a tank who would stop for between 15-30 seconds between each pull and look at each party member. And he would recast Protect and Stoneskin on everyone (Paladin tank)
Never figured out why.

After the first boss I got tired of it and used Shadewalker every time it was available to pull things.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

. My issue is that it converts 12 minutes of a fun activity into 22 minutes of a not-fun activity. It's less about the time wasted, and more about the conversion or loss of fun. It's not fun for me to have to fumble with aetherflow, because the timing doesn't work properly on it for 1-group pulls. It's not fun for me to move slowly, when I know we could easily be moving faster. It's not about 10 wasted minutes, it's about 12 minutes of fun stolen.

Could end the thread with this honestly. It's not about time being wasted. Going at a snail's pace and not being able to use the full extent of your jobs power is not fun.

[JisKing98]

Hmm so according to this thread and its posts, All tanks have a invisible gun to their head and the words "pull more" always whisper to them. Like if the tank doesn't want to pull more let him/her do so. Why are you forcing them to pull more if they don't like it.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Do that with the wrong tank and they'll be on the ground. Inflate your parser stats on someone else's time.

.....What does a DPS wanting to have more fun and get things faster using Flare or Deathflare on 6 enemies instead of 2 have to do with parser inflating?

Please dont generalize like that, if I ever pulled extra mobs it's because I know we can handle it and sometimes the tank just needs the extra push.

[CompSci88]

I see tank pulling small, I leave.

[Gemina]

Even if the norm is what is formerly known as a speed run, it is still a speed run to someone new to large mob pulls, and completing dungeons in 15 minutes or less. I've also noticed a significant change of pace from running story mode dungeons, opposed to optional dungeons. Players are observantly much more patient in the former.

Either way, I go at the tank's pace. I totally get how we get to use our full toolkit with large pulls, and how much more fun this is. But sometimes the slower pace is welcome, especially in dungeons that I enjoy the battles, scenery, and the music.

[matteoxyz]

I have ADHD as well and am slower learning new things because of it. I also mained tank up till level 50. I think large pulls, for inexperienced tank or healer, can be tricky or even overwhelming. As you gain experience you may find, as I have, that not only are speed runs something you can manage, but are a lot of fun as well. If party members pull everything and you wipe, usually they will go slow from then on. If not, explain that you don't want to speed run.

[Fluffernuff]

If the tank is responsible and borderline REQUIRED to do mass pulls...

...then why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which the pull is completed?




I'm being serious here. I've seen posts recently that people vote kick or will drop a group based on if the tank is a PLD or not. I want answers. So I'll ask it again.

Why are tanks responsible for the SPEED at which a mass pull is completed?

I'm a tank. My job is to hold emnity, get hit in the face, and retaliate as hard as I can. MY job, ESPECIALLY AS A PLD, is NOT to do more AoE damage than a BLM. It is NOT my job to pull a dungeon, single-handedly kill them all, and let YOU walk out with the rewards.

The only reasoning I've read from this, or can gather for myself, is that small pulls only really have a significantly negative impact on Good players playing properly. This might shock and appall you all, being forum-goers and all, but duty finder is NOT filled with players like you or I.
Unfortunately, I can mass pull all I want in a dungeon, but if my BLM doesn't cast fire 2? If my SMN forgets what a dreadwyrm is?

This mentality and DPS under performing has actually FORCED me ask, in Gubal HM, if the healer or DPS can even HANDLE the full frog pull. Because guess what? It's always my fault.
"You should have pulled more."
"Why the **** did you pull them all!?"
Yes, it's some form of that, nearly every time I get Gubal HM. People have been getting much more vocal lately when they don't get their way.


Sorry, but with my own personal experiences in DF, I cannot fault a tank for ONLY pulling small. I have a WHOLE other checklist to take THEIR comm away from them.




EDIT/Clarification: I'm feeling a bit ranty. Dunno why. I think I lost track of my original idea halfway through. Just trying to play devil's advocate.

[Synrin]

I'm sorry that it is frustrating for you to deal with mass pulls with your ADHD. I also find it frustrating when tanks pull slowly with my powerful AoE, it also screws up the timing of aetherflow and makes DPSing more difficult. It's also just a lot less fun.

Another summoner pitching in: it really is faster for me to pull and get spam-healed and blow out my deathflare and survive than go through slow and painful pulls. This is mostly in 60 dungeons however.

Also keep in mind that noting such things (as to why you cannot pull much/as expected) can go a long way at the start.

[Ksenia]

If I'm in a dungeon as a DPS it's because I don't want to tank. So Tank, you do it however you want. I waived my say when I queued as a DPS.

When I am on a healer, if you know the mobs are going to be barfing out Ao-Ao-Ao-AoE's? Thank you for the small pulls because I'm probably going to be too busy running around like a retard to heal you.