Honest opinions on flash , do you think its fair it has no damage how would u rank it

[bswpayton]

Flash was nice at the very beginning when we were

Im sorry but , I mean how can you guys say flash works just as well as the others Im not following, Simply because you have single target damage, if you pull a mob of 10 or more u literally may have one enemy to 4 enemies to work on, where as with the other two you dont and I havent even played drk yet, I cant tell how many times Ive been tankin and I just was waiting for scorn to come off cool down, maybe if they just cut the cool down of scorn then things would be better but 25 sec cool down , with nothing like zero other aoes suck, even if they others do limited damange at least you can hit everyone in the pull pali is stuck on single target.

[Reynhart]

Im sorry but , I mean how can you guys say flash works just as well as the others Im not following

Your question was about aggro mechanic. As an enmity tool, Flash works very well. Apart from occasional critical hits, it build roughly the same enmity as overpower or unleash.

As a damaging tool, it's useless, sure, but, most of the time, it's just not an issue, except for people who can't afford to lose even a little time on their run.

[JunseiKei]

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Flash doesn't distrupt combos, either. Flash a couple of times, then start a combo, switching between targets while continuously using Flash every other GCD. Circle of Scorn isn't your go-to-AoE-enmity builder on PLD. It's an OGCD so throw in in between Flash and ccurrent combos you're using. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity Plus, like I said, between Riot Blade in combination with Sheltron, you can pretty much Flash indefinitely (not as taxing on TP either if your intent is to simply hold AoE aggro). Not even WAR or DRK can do that. Even at lower levels, you have access to Riot Blade combination by the time you're level 15 (first dungeon), as well as having Flash.

[bswpayton]

Your question was about aggro mechanic. As an enmity tool, Flash works very well. Apart from occasional critical hits, it build roughly the same enmity as overpower or unleash.

As a damaging tool, it's useless, sure, but, most of the time, it's just not an issue, except for people who can't afford to lose even a little time on their run.

I did brayflax last night , and I'm sittin there right in the middle of adds doing flash three times in a row and the adds literally just walked right past me, its so weird because Its not even that bad in qurn, and Ive where as Ive pulled bigger mobs in the lower level dungeons as a warrior with no issues, Ive done that a few times as a pali and lets just say Ill stick to smaller pulls under level 40. No on bosses I feel pali excels it will prob always be my go to but just pullin adds flash is just depressing but you work with it because you like the class.

[JunseiKei]

I did brayflax last night , and I'm sittin there right in the middle of adds doing flash three times in a row and the adds literally just walked right past me, its so weird because Its not even that bad in qurn, and Ive where as Ive pulled bigger mobs in the lower level dungeons as a warrior with no issues, Ive done that a few times as a pali and lets just say Ill stick to smaller pulls under level 40. No on bosses I feel pali excels it will prob always be my go to but just pullin adds flash is just depressing but you work with it because you like the class.

This makes me wonder if you had a healing spell or buff cast on you as you got into aggro range of the mobs, or have a latency issue. Rubberbanding will sometimes happen- you Flash or use some aggro skill, but they mob will keep going toward their target, even while you have full enmity on it.

[ckc22]

It is correctly balanced. PLD is build as pure defensive tank. It is fair, he has the highest mitigation, so it is fair he does less damage. The only thing could allow is having more enmity generation to compensate. But PLD shouldn't have high DPS, that's not his purpose. Otherwise, I will say yes to a AoE for big enemy group, but without the Enmity generation. We must not forgot what a PLD is. I still think PLD has too much DPS for what should be if you ask me. Instead of give them more DPS, I prefer give them more hate generation. PLD is not for damage.

Everyone in FFXIV is a dps. Because that's how the game is designed. Tanking/healing is just dealing with mechanics - it's not a constant job. The over-reliance on holy trinity means that jobs have to be more alike than different.

[alimdia]

PLD needs an aoe, doesn't matter if it's a separate skill or part of flash, atm PLD is the worst class for dungeons, if anyone needs a reality check try a level 50 dungeon unsync on PLD vs any other class (even DPS) and PLD will come out as the slowest.

PLD should contribute more to a party than just extra physical cds when everything in a dungeon already hits like a wet noodle.

[Clethoria]

As someone who dropped Paladin like hot rocks for Warrior, could someone tell me any advantages of switching back to PLD? I'd be out of MP in seconds because I'd Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash and the mobs barely glance at me. And in the case of dying/resurrecting I have almost no chance of getting aggro back. Meanwhile, Overpower snaps them my way almost instantly.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Please do tell me what kind of support WHM uniquely brings to a raid.
I'm telling you right now, it's absolutely zero.

AST brings strong utility cards, SCH brings a no MP fairy tjat enables it to dps much more than a WHM, as well as a party wide speed buff.
WHM? Absolutely nothing.

[JunseiKei]

Please do tell me what kind of support WHM uniquely brings to a raid.

I'm actually curious as to what AST and SCH provide as support that WHM cannot. Cards and shields? I know it doesn't offer much else, but to say it offers none is not correct either.

Ah, changing the terms to better suit your argument. I never said they brought unique utility, but to say they bring none is not a truth. Not to mention mandatory utilities actually stem from CNJ/WHM and was even changed so AST/SCH were a viable set up. I wouldn't mind SE changing it so they gave WHM their unique protect back solely for viewpoints like this. Remember, all protects (pre-3.0, WHM was the only one to include magic defense), stoneskins, cleric stances and aero come from this "worthless" class.

WHM is also great at spike DPSing at certain points and if you're going to be ACC capped anyway, Holy is a great stun-anytime tool. Yes, other classes have stuns- usually a cooldown, unless you have that other "worthless" job called Paladin.

EDIT: And, for what it amounts to, WHM is still the only healer to provide a MIND bonus to parties. Not that it matters, but it is a support buff that is solely brought from WHM- at this current time.