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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Great surgeon not necessarily have 200% more skill than normal surgeons but the small things add up that distinguish the person to be a great one.
    Great example of an analogy totally showing what I talk about when I mention "putting too much pressure".
    Or how people can take this game way too seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Great example of an analogy totally showing what I talk about when I mention "putting too much pressure".
    Or how people can take this game way too seriously.
    Or if you dont find pushing your limit more, maybe Savage raiding isnt for you. It's fun for me that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Or if you dont find pushing your limit more, maybe Savage raiding isnt for you. It's fun for me that's for sure.
    It's great if it's fun for you.
    However, the problem is still berating and kicking people when they don't find that fun, even though what they do is clearly enough to clear the content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    It's great if it's fun for you.
    However, the problem is still berating and kicking people when they don't find that fun, even though what they do is clearly enough to clear the content.
    How do you know if what you do is enough to clear contents? A9S aside, you as a tank still needs to do decent amount of DPS to clear 10 and above. You can still be a liability even though you can do the mechanics, mostly because you are still expected to do damage, in contrast to your belief that tank should only be judged by how tanky they are. Your expectation doesn't align with the philosophy of this game, and out of respect I will have to ask you, have you tried to optimize your damage until now considering you have been registered here for 6 years? It makes no sense to me when you are here for so long and you still don't want to admit that dpsing is another agenda for tanks. Are you playing the same game?

    If SE wants to ramp up the difficulty of Savage starting from 4.0 (iirc it was addressed before in a livestream), players' skills need to go up as well. And that's on SE to make us better equipped for worse or better.

    I am also happy that more and more raiders have that will to go extra miles to clear Savage. The clear rate has been good so far, judging for Tonberry server alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    How do you know if what you do is enough to clear contents? A9S aside, you as a tank still needs to do decent amount of DPS to clear 10 and above. You can still be a liability even though you can do the mechanics
    This is a very important point. I've seen tanks complaining about lack of dps when they see a11s wipe due to the second GA100 in the last phase, while the war OT (who never has aggro on the boss in the whole fight) is doing like 800-900 dps at the point of the wipe, without any death. Of course it's still possible to "carry" these tanks to clear a11s, or even a12s, but that'll require good dps and imo it's unfair to blame the 50%+ percentile dps players for lack of dps, when the tank does sub 20%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    How do you know if what you do is enough to clear contents? A9S aside, you as a tank still needs to do decent amount of DPS to clear 10 and above.
    It depends on what you call "decent". If I only spam RoH over and over, I know I'm lacking. If I do a "basic" rotation RoH-GB-RA, I know I'm lacking. If I do a GB-RA-RA rotation with only a handful of RoH for when I need a bit of aggro on a new target or when the STR debuff is useful...and we don't hit enrage, well, I'm doing "enough".

    Far too often, I've ended with leaders that complained about DPS even after a comfortable win, or, worse, a loss thanks to failing mechanics in a learning party...which is, for the record, what made me quit raiding.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Your expectation doesn't align with the philosophy of this game, and out of respect I will have to ask you, have you tried to optimize your damage until now considering you have been registered here for 6 years?
    Yes, I have...when I was raiding Coil. Probably because it was "icing on the cake" and not a requirement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    It makes no sense to me when you are here for so long and you still don't want to admit that dpsing is another agenda for tanks.
    I never refused to admit that DPS is another agenda for tank, it just bugs me that it's the only high-skill-check agenda.
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