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  1. #211
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    Do you trully believe people play FFXIV for the quality of its endgame ? Every metrics show the turnover on FFXIV is very high because of poor player retention.
    People certainly don't play XIV because of the leveling sequence, specifically the leveling sequence. Endgame is the reason why EXP boost potions are being considered, people are complaining about the 200+ quest MSQ and not wanting to do it to get to play with friends. If they won't get their money's worth out of the MSQ, they will get it out of the potion, or rather, as much as they can possibly get out of it.

    Also, there is no way to let people do 4.0 MSQ without having done 3.0 MSQ. 4.0 ties in directly to 3.5 MSQ quests, which tie in to 3.4 MSQ quests, etc. There is no way without massively retconning the 2.0-3.5 MSQ, or introducing a premium to skip said MSQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    That's a poor marketing argument. You know it, SE knows it (else we'd already have that potion in the game) and the would be new players know it too.
    You make no sense. Everything you say makes no sense and holds nothing to your arguments. Where does marketing come in for the argument that the item is a tool of convenience? It is, how are you incapable of seeing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    No new races with 4.0 (RIP us, another 2 years of people spamming viera threads)
    Awh bummer, more character customization for current races I hope.
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  4. #214
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    People certainly don't play XIV because of the leveling sequence, specifically the leveling sequence. Endgame is the reason why EXP boost potions are being considered, people are complaining about the 200+ quest MSQ and not wanting to do it to get to play with friends. If they won't get their money's worth out of the MSQ, they will get it out of the potion, or rather, as much as they can possibly get out of it.

    Also, there is no way to let people do 4.0 MSQ without having done 3.0 MSQ. 4.0 ties in directly to 3.5 MSQ quests, which tie in to 3.4 MSQ quests, etc. There is no way without massively retconning the 2.0-3.5 MSQ, or introducing a premium to skip said MSQ.
    Where are these people ? I don't see anyone wanting to play FFXIV specifically for its "endgame" but rather casual players who play FFXIV for the story and the gear mirages.

    Also, maybe SE could just start making actual stories, complete with introduction, development and conclusion, rather than the endless "story" (full of filler quests, uninteresting developments and with an endless flow of written exposition) we have here. Furthermore, I don't really get how making players buy story jumps potions would make more sense storywise rather than letting them outright skip the older MSQ (and then eventually go back to them is they feel like it).

    In FFXI each expansion's main story quest was independent and could be completed by the players at their leisure, and everybody was happy with that.

    You make no sense. Everything you say makes no sense and holds nothing to your arguments. Where does marketing come in for the argument that the item is a tool of convenience? It is, how are you incapable of seeing it?
    Yeah right. Marketing comes in because the "but the players want to play with their friends" was the marketing argument blizzard gave when they implemented the leveling boost in wow rather than actually balancing the leveling experience.
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    Last edited by Stanelis; 11-16-2016 at 03:38 AM.

  5. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    This is to aid those people at the cost of money, for a convenience of not having to do 200+ necessary quests, when all those people really want to do is just the endgame, and not the leveling process. It's stupid, but it helps SE make money.
    Well they'll need to come with much more endgame content than what we have today if we follow that logic cause people will get bored very quickly, just watch all the raiders complaining things are to "casu friendly" (easier than on others MMO) and the lack of things to do (like raid or dungeons) between 2 patches.
    Craft ? Gathering ? not sure the people willing to pay to get insta 60 will be willing to lvl these "normally"
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    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    Realistically, the leveling potions wont do much other than let people bypass over 80 hours worth of content so they can play with friends if they are freshly starting.

    This isn't a big deal to me, even as someone who has over 300 days of playtime and almost everything leveled to 60. People who say they wont know how to play the jobs are correct, but then, neither are people who fate grind, or use PotD to level, or most people in general. That's not going to go away, because some people just dont care to learn.
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    Can't wait for those level 70 healers who doesn't know what cure is
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  8. #218
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
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    If you actually take the effort to look around, you may find these people. I'm not going to go look for a random few posts I see that pop up every now and then about someone complaining that the MSQ is too much for them, because all they want to do is do the high level stuff, blah blah blah.

    On your second point, if they already have a system in place, that they can easily augment to fit for the NA/EU/JP client, they will most likely do that. And finally, on your third point, if they want to be level 60, they already have it set in their mind they don't really care about the story, the intention of purchasing a potion is to bypass the MSQ as well as the leveling sequence. If a person wishes to go through the MSQ, they don't need to spend that cash on a potion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    In FFXI each expansion's main story quest was independent and could be completed by the players at their leisure, and everybody was happy with that.
    That's great, but XIV is not XI, that game is still running I hear, and on top of that, XIV is more heavily demanding that XI, so costs are obviously increased.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
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    That's not something I can comment on because they did not say their intentions other than "I want to be able to play the game with friends and reach endgame faster, this MSQ stuff is boring", etc. If you are seeing people saying that the endgame is boring, then that's irrelevant to people who DO want to do the endgame, because clearly, people have differing opinions.
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  9. #219
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Realistically, the leveling potions wont do much other than let people bypass over 80 hours worth of content so they can play with friends if they are freshly starting.
    Let's be real here. You are okay with someone jumping straight to 60 and skipping a whole expansion? How is that fair to any of us really?
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  10. #220
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
    Let's be real here. You are okay with someone jumping straight to 60 and skipping a whole expansion? How is that fair to any of us really?
    They missed out on all the content and have to go back and do it if they want to? You all got to skip 1.0, so how is that fair? :P And by your forum join date, you got a huge amount of bonus xp doing the 2.0-2.55 quests, how was that fair to the rest of us who did them when they were new? Same thing here.

    This is just something that LITERALLY does not impact me in any way, as I will not be purchasing one, and i got months and months with all of the content they would spend to skip. In fact, this might be the only thing on the cash shop that doesn't impact me, sans fantasias. I simply don't care if they do. If they join a party I'm in, I would expect them to know how to play their job, but lets be real, very few actually try.

    I had a noob tank in aetherochemical research facility try to stance dance and follow mechanics, and they actually held hate better than the tank in 260 gear we got the next run... Its all about the will to learn, not how you got there.
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