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    Valkyrie_Lenneth's Avatar
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    Realistically, the leveling potions wont do much other than let people bypass over 80 hours worth of content so they can play with friends if they are freshly starting.

    This isn't a big deal to me, even as someone who has over 300 days of playtime and almost everything leveled to 60. People who say they wont know how to play the jobs are correct, but then, neither are people who fate grind, or use PotD to level, or most people in general. That's not going to go away, because some people just dont care to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Realistically, the leveling potions wont do much other than let people bypass over 80 hours worth of content so they can play with friends if they are freshly starting.
    Let's be real here. You are okay with someone jumping straight to 60 and skipping a whole expansion? How is that fair to any of us really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
    Let's be real here. You are okay with someone jumping straight to 60 and skipping a whole expansion? How is that fair to any of us really?
    They missed out on all the content and have to go back and do it if they want to? You all got to skip 1.0, so how is that fair? :P And by your forum join date, you got a huge amount of bonus xp doing the 2.0-2.55 quests, how was that fair to the rest of us who did them when they were new? Same thing here.

    This is just something that LITERALLY does not impact me in any way, as I will not be purchasing one, and i got months and months with all of the content they would spend to skip. In fact, this might be the only thing on the cash shop that doesn't impact me, sans fantasias. I simply don't care if they do. If they join a party I'm in, I would expect them to know how to play their job, but lets be real, very few actually try.

    I had a noob tank in aetherochemical research facility try to stance dance and follow mechanics, and they actually held hate better than the tank in 260 gear we got the next run... Its all about the will to learn, not how you got there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    They missed out on all the content and have to go back and do it if they want to?

    This is just something that LITERALLY does not impact me in any way
    Ultimately, I think this is what it comes down to. I still think these level-jumping potions are a horrendous idea, but if they are in fact implemented, oh well. I think the reason I loathe the idea so much is because it makes totally irrelevant all the content I've previously done and enjoyed, removing that experience for future players. People will bitch and argue about the quality of that content, but I enjoyed it. It's why I've stuck with this game since it launched on PS3. But regardless of that, the simple fact remains, I already did it. I had my fun. If future players choose to ignore and skip over that content, that's their loss. Doesn't affect my experience in the slightest.

    Sure there's the possibility of "Jump Players" mucking up DF with a complete ignorance of how to play their job, but as many have pointed out, that already occurs with disturbing frequency. The addition of these "Jump Potions" is not likely to make it any more endemic than it unfortunately already is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    You must be oh so fun at parties and movies, aren't you?
    Where's the problem, if it's a conservative, overly formly and lame 'party' or a movie which you take as serious as Sharknado? Because that's the comparisions I would draw.

    Aren't you the people yelling: "Stop having fun with that movie!!! You did not watch the prequel yet, so you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy this one. People who never watched the prequel can't enjoy and can't even understand this movie, anyway! Turn it off!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Where's the problem, if it's a conservative, overly formly and lame 'party' or a movie which you take as serious as Sharknado? Because that's the comparisions I would draw.

    Aren't you the people yelling: "Stop having fun with that movie!!! You did not watch the prequel yet, so you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy this one. People who never watched the prequel can't enjoy and can't even understand this movie, anyway! Turn it off!"
    Usually the cinema company don't charge you to watch both a movie and its prequel and then offer you to pay an extra to only watch the new movie, if you re not interested in its prequel. That situation is exactly the issue with the jumping potions.

    Its the main reason for any hostility i have towards players here thread after thread of how FFXIV should be like 11 it had its time its over
    People don't ask for FFXIV to be like FFXI, but would rather like SE to look at their former work and to consider using again (or at least learn from) their best design elements.

    As an example, each expansion storyline was independent in FFXI, and everybody was happy with that, and SE didn't have to sell XP potions. By saying that, I m not asking for the storylines of FFXIV to be the same as FFXI's.
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    How is it not fair? In other words you have the same chance and opportunity to level jump just as they did so there is no unfairness in that sense. It would only be unfair if you or others did not have the same opportunities as they did their to be able to level jump if you chose to do so.

    I guess the question is what's wrong with new players skipping content that x amount of years old? Happens in World of Warcraft and no one complains. If they want to do that content they still have the opportunity, and doing this with players gets them into the endgame faster if you will, but each person has their own preference and play style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
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    I'm going to answer this question from a different perspective. When a game has more than one expansion, it can be a real slog getting through all of that content to try and get to the latest stuff so you can play with your friends. "Oh hey, my MMO has a new expansion coming out, you should come try it. Oh but before you can play with me you need to do all of the 1-60 content which could take a large amount of time for someone with work and school." That can be very discouraging. By giving them the option to pay money and start directly at 60 able to go in to the new expansion, it allows them to immediately join their friends and play with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    I'm going to answer this question from a different perspective. When a game has more than one expansion, it can be a real slog getting through all of that content to try and get to the latest stuff so you can play with your friends. "Oh hey, my MMO has a new expansion coming out, you should come try it. Oh but before you can play with me you need to do all of the 1-60 content which could take a large amount of time for someone with work and school." That can be very discouraging. By giving them the option to pay money and start directly at 60 able to go in to the new expansion, it allows them to immediately join their friends and play with them.
    Exactly, it's why Blizzard did it with WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Realistically, the leveling potions wont do much other than let people bypass over 80 hours worth of content so they can play with friends if they are freshly starting....

    People who say they wont know how to play the jobs are correct, but then, neither are people who fate grind, or use PotD to level, or most people in general. That's not going to go away, because some people just dont care to learn.
    I have been neglecting that % of people who do play with friends, and that helps bypass a lot of reasons why I'm not a giant fan. Though much like you, it will not be as big of an impact as it is made out to be. You are correct, there's little difference in the ones who would do this to start at 60 vs someone who did nothing but fate grind their way to 60 or leveling in PoTD. This hasn't stopped people from reaching 60 and performing in ways you wouldn't expect. I was healing in a 50 dungeon and the summon would start to spam heal themselves every time they got hit with an AoE or if they went in to do Misma II and got hit with a cleave. Small things like that, will stay in my mind. But you, along with others, providing that scenario needs to be taken into consideration and I accept that it's a scenario that isn't so bad.
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