Info about the Chinese Cash Shop "Level Jumping Potions"

[Celef]

So, any thoughts now that "Level jump potions are very likely to be added and will jump to 60" in our game too turning it into P2W ?
(Yeah, necroposting but did not want to creat another thread with this one still existing)

[Airget]

So, any thoughts now that "Level jump potions are very likely to be added and will jump to 60" in our game too turning it into P2W ?
(Yeah, necroposting but did not want to creat another thread with this one still existing)

Sorry but a leveling potion isn't P2W, you don't gain any benefits over a player who reached lv 60 without it other than time. So it's weird to throw that logic around as if somehow using these potions gives the player an advantage over other players.

P2W would be something like, For just 20 dollars you can buy a whole set of IL 270 gear complete with all the Tier V materia you wish to attach to it! Or P2W would also be, PVP in which in-game you can only obtain IL 200 PVP gear but if you pay 30 dollars you can get a set of IL 250 gear and put yourself at a huge advantage against those who only have IL200. This means that you are paying to have an advantage over another player which is what it means to be "Play to win", not a potion that just gives players the option to bypass content that is old and takes hours upon hours to complete just to play the point they wish to enjoy.

[Celef]

Sorry but a leveling potion isn't P2W, you don't gain any benefits over a player who reached lv 60 without it other than time.

You said it yourself, you actually gain time over those who did not buy the potion and have to spend weeks lvl their charact (taking the example of new players without the exp bonus for another class max lvl)
A did buy a potion and is insta 60
B did not
While B is still trying to group for Sastasha A is lf a Alex group and start gaining stuff, gils etc

Plus, the chinese version also offers gils for those buying the potion, how can this not be P2W ?

[Genaxx]

Sorry but a leveling potion isn't P2W, you don't gain any benefits over a player who reached lv 60 without it other than time. So it's weird to throw that logic around as if somehow using these potions gives the player an advantage over other players.

P2W would be something like, For just 20 dollars you can buy a whole set of IL 270 gear complete with all the Tier V materia you wish to attach to it! Or P2W would also be, PVP in which in-game you can only obtain IL 200 PVP gear but if you pay 30 dollars you can get a set of IL 250 gear and put yourself at a huge advantage against those who only have IL200. This means that you are paying to have an advantage over another player which is what it means to be "Play to win", not a potion that just gives players the option to bypass content that is old and takes hours upon hours to complete just to play the point they wish to enjoy.

You get gear and gil too. You might not see it as P2W cause your gear is already better, but for people who are lower? Its a kick in the teeth. For those, it's the same as someone getting 270 gear while your still on 250/260

[Lunafreya]

Sorry but a leveling potion isn't P2W, you don't gain any benefits over a player who reached lv 60 without it other than time. So it's weird to throw that logic around as if somehow using these potions gives the player an advantage over other players.

Sorry but... how IS THIS not pay to win?

[Evergrey]

Sorry but... how IS THIS not pay to win?

I guess because the term P2W comes from when players can buy stuff which gives them an advantage over players that don't.
Paying to get a max lvl character doesn't give you any more advantage over someone who didn't pay to get there.
If anything it's Pay4Time, since you pay extra to skip content, saving you time to do it.
Once max lvl you still have to grind like everyone else.
Unless the jump potion gives you gear that someone who didn't pay can't get.

[Zojha]

I guess because the term P2W comes from when players can buy stuff which gives them an advantage over players that don't.

An advantage at...what exactly?

My apologies, but the entire P2W is really wishy washy. Retainers give you a clear advantage over other players at the market board, since you can store more items, do more ventures and sell more items. Dyes save you either money or ventures which you could use on other items instead, again, giving you an advantage. Paying for high end raid weapons won't give you any advantage over another person come the next gear cycle.

To me, a level jump potion seems no different than an item level jump potion. The only argument you can really make here is that level 60 will be outdated at the time and therefore not as important anymore.

[Celef]

The only argument you can really make here is that level 60 will be outdated at the time and therefore not as important anymore.

Well actually it will cause you'll probably need to be 60 to start the expansion (or so I guess) so it's clearly and advantage over those who would not buy and then have to take time to lvl from scratches.

[Evergrey]

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Well, the P2W originated from PvP encounters where players could buy OP stuff others could not get ingame.
But true, if you pay of additional retainers you have a higher % of getting stuff which can sell more on the market, and through there buy better gear. But it's a rather slow process and it's not 100% since it's based on RNG. Personally I would not call that P2W.

Edit
In a game like FFXIV where PvP is almost non-existing there's little P2W to begin with in my opinion.
Some might see getting more Gil to spend on the market is P2W because they don't need to put the same amount of time farming/grinding like the other person.
But we all have our own point of view over everything. All I can do is say how I see things, like anyone of us really.