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    Koltik Morrel
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    Pugilist Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    True, but they are sacrificing their own GCDs to lock down yours. It's no different than a PLD using stuns, a BLM using sleeps, etc.
    It is completely different. FA is instant cast on a very short cooldown. Sleep has a cast time. Stun has a DR that is shared with 90% of classes, and is on their global CD. Knock back has no DR's whatsoever, and Bind is not shared with many classes.
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    This is false. SCH/AST can LOS, kite, position properly and Purify. You can even Esuna/Leeches/ED the bind of FA.
    This is only true if you have no other debuffs on you. If you have other debuffs, which you will since, well, it's PvP, then you can't just instantly get rid of the FA bind. You can cleanse it all day and not get it, especially if enemy DPS are using dots and debuffs like they should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    Not quite, the healing potencies are actually a bit unbalanced, in favor of WHM. However, AST and SCH are much better at healing themselves while under pressure, something which WHM is very weak at. While I agree that Noct is not in a good spot, it was extremely powerful before. If anything, the only change I would like to see here is an MP cost reduction on AB while in Noct stance.
    So you admit that WHM has more healing power than AST/SCH, yet still think they need CC on top of that?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    The first part of this is an opinion, not a fact, and while I won't take the time to sit here and count out the abilities to deny your second claim, I think you need to consider this, as I've stated before: AST/SCH are more effective at keeping themselves alive while under pressure with no assistance from their team.
    This is just false. AB isn't going to heal a thing when you have any competent DPS on you, let alone an entire team. WHM at least has Asylum, Medica 2, Regen, Prism, Knock Back, Sleep. Way more going for them than AST.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    Except that it can be compared with other abilities...And if you are letting yourself get CC'd for 24 full seconds, you have a ton of personal skills to work on. Also, if you are being chain CC'd like that (without the ability to E/L/ED or Purify or move your keyboard/controller) then the WHM is putting them and their team at risk by wasting 3 GCDs and their own self peel.
    Again, attacking me and not the argument. Do you ever stop?

    White mages can CC for up to 24 seconds every 60s, and then interrupt every 30s via FA. AST can cc via a stun for 2 seconds, assuming no DR's, every 2 minutes.

    Stun DR is 60s, purify is 90s. You can do the math on this one. It's not always available for stuns, let alone binds, full swings, sleeps.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    Another thing you are not taking consideration is this: If the WHM is choosing to use Fluid Aura offensively (on the healer in this case) then they do not have it for defense, and are extremely open to getting piled on.
    You do not need Fluid Aura to survive as a white mage, that is the entire point. Is it helpful? Definitely. Should WHM have it exclusively? Definitely not.
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    Last edited by Koltik; 11-11-2016 at 09:17 AM.