[Cash Shop Idea] Game Time Token

[Chocolys]

Any purchased Cash-Shop items being sellable in-game is a form of RMT. Real money is used to gain gils in game. The only difference being SE would be collecting the money instead of a third party, but the consequences are still the same for the in game market.

That's why I'm glad Cash-Shop items are currently bound to the buyer and have a limited effect on the ingame economy.

(Now if one thinks RMT is a good thing, then he should simply ask SE to sell Gils directly from the Cash-Shop)

[alimdia]

Any purchased Cash-Shop items being sellable in-game is a form of RMT. Real money is used to gain gils in game. The only difference being SE would be collecting the money instead of a third party, but the consequences are still the same for the in game market.

That's why I'm glad Cash-Shop items are currently bound and have a limited effect on the ingame economy.

(Now if one thinks RMT is a good thing, then he should simply ask SE to sell Gils directly from the Cash-Shop)

First you have to understand why RMT is bad, and it's not bad "just because people say it's bad".

Gil sellers use bots to obtain gil, SE has no control over them as they create hundreds of accounts for this, you suddenly have a huge amount of illegally obtained gil in the economy, more gil than players wold get by themselves, this drives up prices and ruins the economy, not to mention that this doesn't benefit the publisher in any way.

A sub token would not involve bot-generated gil for the most part, SE can control the price of the sub token just by controlling supply and demand of items, this has a different impact on the economy and it's an impact SE can directly control, and the company would also gain extra profit from this.

A sub token has very few cons compared to 3rd party RMT.

[Chocolys]

First you have to understand why RMT is bad, and it's not bad "just because people say it's bad".

Gil sellers use bots to obtain gil, SE has no control over them as they create hundreds of accounts for this, you suddenly have a huge amount of illegally obtained gil in the economy, more gil than players wold get by themselves, this drives up prices and ruins the economy, not to mention that this doesn't benefit the publisher in any way.

A sub token would not involve bot-generated gil for the most part, SE can control the price of the sub token just by controlling supply and demand of items, this has a different impact on the economy and it's an impact SE can directly control, and the company would also gain extra profit from this.

A sub token has very few cons compared to 3rd party RMT.

It still does allow for a pay to win. You can just use real money to become easily rich in game, And that's why I'm against any form of RMT.

[Inori-Yuzuriha]

It still does allow for a pay to win. You can just use real money to become easily rich in game, And that's why I'm against any form of RMT.

end game gear comes from raids.. so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Laurima]

end game gear comes from raids.. so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Never heard of sell runs? sell runs with loot? no?

-_-

great idea

the skilled playerbase shrinks and the less skilled playerbase buy gil to earnt rare gear from carry runs, mounts etc etc

More gil in the system, prices drop, people buy more, eventually gil will be worthless, no one will do anything but buy gil to buy in game items, yay yippie, GREAT IDEA, no really ><

[Chocolys]

end game gear comes from raids.. so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How do you "win" with gil in FFXIV? Gil won't make you a raider, gil won't lift the weekly tomestone cap, you can't buy the best gear with gil, at most you can access materia V slightly faster than other people and even then the DPS you gain from materia is very low, I forgot the actual number but it was something like less than 3%....

The game is a lot more than about End Gear, for example:

- Want a big FC/Personal house: Why not Sell Cash-Shop items and use money to buy the house directly. Very fair to the other FCs who were worked their butt off collecting gils trying to buy that nice house that you have earned doing nothing in game for it.

- Got a new rare items/decos to be sold or bought on the marketboard? Why bothering with a normal price when you know Cash-Shop items sellers can afford for artificially overprice. Screw the regular gils earners..

Etc..

[alimdia]

The game is a lot more than about End Gear, for example:

- Want a big FC/Personal house: Why not Sell Cash-Shop items and use money to buy the house directly. Very fair to the other FCs who were worked their butt off collecting gils trying to buy that nice house that you have earned doing nothing in game for it.

- Got a new rare items/decos to be sold or bought on the marketboard? Why bothering with a normal price when you know Cash-Shop items sellers can afford for artificially overprice. Screw the regular gils earners..

Etc..

How do you "win" by obtaining a house, rare vanity or decorations? Following your logic the cash shop is already pay to win because it already sells exclusive vanity and exclusive furniture.

I'll ju$t $pend my money on game time for my friend. Becau$e people $uddenly went from hating the Ca$h $hop to making $ugge$tion$ on what to add next. What in the $ane hell i$ going on, guy$? $eriou$ly.

This is different, the sub tokens would be available to anyone who wants to buy them through the marketboard, there's no potential content being taken out of the game to gate behind a paywall, this is both a way to curb RMT and benefit both players who would buy the tokens and who would sell the tokens, while still giving the money to SE instead of 3rd party sellers, all without adding extra gil to the economy.

[alimdia]

It still does allow for a pay to win. You can just use real money to become easily rich in game, And that's why I'm against any form of RMT.

How do you "win" with gil in FFXIV? Gil won't make you a raider, gil won't lift the weekly tomestone cap, you can't buy the best gear with gil, at most you can access materia V slightly faster than other people and even then the DPS you gain from materia is very low, I forgot the actual number but it was something like less than 3%.

Never heard of sell runs? sell runs with loot? no?

-_-

People can already buy runs without having sub tokens implemented in the game.

[Laurima]

How do you "win" with gil in FFXIV? Gil won't make you a raider, gil won't lift the weekly tomestone cap, you can't buy the best gear with gil, at most you can access materia V slightly faster than other people and even then the DPS you gain from materia is very low, I forgot the actual number but it was something like less than 3%.



People can already buy runs without having sub tokens implemented in the game.

Yes they can

but if you look at the prices needed for a full tier clear on say Midas Savage? with loot? even now, you would be looking at hundreds of millions in gil, few people outside of hardcore sell run groups and hardcore crafters has access to such funds, if SE offer reduced gil for purchase to the masses, more people will buy gil and things will go mad ><

[Caitlinzulu]

How do you "win" with gil in FFXIV? Gil won't make you a raider, gil won't lift the weekly tomestone cap, you can't buy the best gear with gil, .

If you checked, some of the crafted 250 pieces are bis. So technically for some slots you CAN buy the best gear with gil. Ergo pay2win