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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    Look in the mirror.
    I'm not really sure where to go from here. I try to be civil and explain how you can outplay a white mage with positioning and pressure, but that falls on deaf ears as you cry out that CC is OP. If you are not willing to discuss this topic without throwing insults and acting defensive, then the discussion ends here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    I'm not really sure where to go from here.
    You play a white mage, why? Because it's the strongest healer in PvP at the top-end. Why? Because it can shut down the other healer while they cannot do anything in return. Of course you don't want this tool taken away or nerfed. Like I said, look in the mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    You play a white mage, why? Because it's the strongest healer in PvP at the top-end. Why? Because it can shut down the other healer while they cannot do anything in return. Of course you don't want this tool taken away or nerfed. Like I said, look in the mirror.
    I am not against a WHM nerf. I actually prefer the play style of AST but my team forced me into WHM due to it's superiority in our comp. However, you are crying for nerfs without any due compensation. If you take away their innate ability to peel for themselves and create opportunities for hard casting, you need to give them something in return. What are your ideas?

    Alternatively, try utilizing the strength of AST: weave around walls to LOS repose, and don't get in melee range of the WHM. If you have the WHM focused, you can see when and what they are trying to cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    I am not against a WHM nerf. I actually prefer the play style of AST but my team forced me into WHM due to it's superiority in our comp. However, you are crying for nerfs without any due compensation. If you take away their innate ability to peel for themselves and create opportunities for hard casting, you need to give them something in return. What are your ideas?

    Alternatively, try utilizing the strength of AST: weave around walls to LOS repose, and don't get in melee range of the WHM. If you have the WHM focused, you can see when and what they are trying to cast.
    You continue to not only insult me, but completely miss the point of the problem.

    1) WHM abilities were not designed around PvP. When SE added Fluid Aura and Sleep, they were not thinking that WHM's needed them for PvP, they were fluff spells.

    2) WHM's do not need nor require Fluid Aura or Sleep in PvE content, and as such other healers get no equivalent. In no content in this game is sleep required for a WHM to do their job, or else other healers would be unable to do theirs. The ONLY exception to this is PvP, where WHM get the chance to utilize these abilities and it creates an imbalance since damage is higher than any healer can heal for extended periods of time, as you noted in your OP. Any ability that can break up this healing creates strength in the class. WHM is the only one with this particular strength.

    3) Stop insulting me by telling me to LOS repose. This is PvP 101. I've played thousands of Feast and Wolves Den matches, I know what I'm doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    You continue to not only insult me, but completely miss the point of the problem.
    How am I...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    3) Stop insulting me by telling me to LOS repose. This is PvP 101. I've played thousands of Feast and Wolves Den matches, I know what I'm doing.
    How was that an insult? It is clear from your posts that you struggle with LOSing Repose and kiting out the Fluid Aura. I am offering advice since you are not seeming to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan View Post
    It is clear from your posts that you struggle with LOSing Repose and kiting out the Fluid Aura. I am offering advice since you are not seeming to understand.
    You continue to redirect attention to me as a player, rather than the argument itself. The problem is that WHM gets two powerful control abilities that the other two healers have absolutely no response to. In Feast you are constantly put in bad positions while trying to stay in LoS / Range of your teammates. You can't be in a perfect position at all times, as you are at the mercy of being close and in LoS of your own team.

    I've yet to see one actual reason for why WHM's need Fluid Aura at all, let alone have it on a 30s CD. They definitely do not need it to be competitive in PvE, whereas AST need full Noct shield in PvE and that is nerfed to be useless in PvP. WHM's also do not need Repose to be successful in PVE, as other healers have no equivalent.

    A WHM's job is to keep their team alive, heal them, not secure kills. Fluid Aura and Repose were not created with PvP in mind. They're fluff spells.
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